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Likely very good sound, based on my experience with their Rachmaninoff Symphony 3 and most recordings from Detroit.
As for the Symphony, I imprinted on Bernstein's DGG NYPO recording, and I've had a hard time forgetting it. In a nutshell, no other performance I've heard keeps the white-hot, weighty energy going right through to the last note of the 4th movt.
I've rarely been disappointed by Slatkin, though I've rarely been knocked out of my chair by the conductor, either. He's sensible, sensitive, not ashamed of percussion and bombast, and doesn't bend music into absurd shapes in order to "hear it anew." At the same time, he never quite lets go; the music he conducts takes flight, but don't expect loop de loops.
We'll see. I hope a Barber cycle from these forces is up next.
...the material Bernstein infamously excised, (much to the initial annoyance of Copland!), suddenly appeared? Right after the anvil business?? Wow!
Blew my mind. I humbly prefer Bernstein's cuts.
Otherwise, yes: Slatkin's a bit pastel for my tastes, and I was sadly not inspired to go weld steel together, or harvest corn, or join a big rig convoy, or BBQ hamburgers and hotdogs in the park. Darn.
I generally don't like cuts to classical pieces (most notably Rachmaninoff 2nd Symphony and Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto), but this one I'm kind of on the fence.....
Same here. I think Bernstein had the right idea.
At least Bernstein himself was a composer..... Some of the cuts and score doctoring I've encountered by non-composers (George Szell for one) were just hideous.......
Bernstein's cut in Copland's Third Symphony gives the ending a melancholy sense of finality...... The original seems to interfere with that.........
What's interesting is the performance I love conducted by Copland himself does have the cuts in it.
Of course, I'm listening to the 16/44.1 stream via QOBUZ and not paying hard earned money (or your SS tax $$) for the download, so I guess that might explain why I'm easily pleased my anything and everything fresh and new.
OK, maybe not Bartok string quartets, but just about everything else. :-)
and I thought the rest of it was quite good as well!
But I'm a sucker for Copland.
I listened to nearly all of it on the Naxos Music Library app. Granted, it's lo-rez sound, but I thought the performance was dull dull dull, compared to some others, including Slatkin/St. Louis and either Bernstein recording. My favorite is Oue/Minnesota on CD; the day that it comes out as a high-rez download, I am taking out my credit card.
Concerning the ending, Marin Alsop used a different ending than other performances in her locally live performance with the Cleveland Orchestra and in a broadcast download with Bournemouth, not sure what's on her recording.
Very reasonably priced on eClassical and I liked the samples I heard (though I'm certainly no expert on these works).
I was considering the Copland as well. Do let us know what you think!
Just listened to this on Tidal. Strange thing, the latin american sketches are inserted between the movements of the 3rd symphony. I just sent the 3rd to a playlist to solve this. It is a good performance but the Oue and Bernstein are better. The sound is good but Oue is much better. Demonstration quality from Reference Recordings. The Detroit sym can play big and loud but are missing the little details that make me love this symphony. While not great it is worth a listen. Whenever I listen to this symphony I am always reminded where Bernstein got is ideas for is score for On The Waterfront. He did love Copland (no pun intended)
I have tried, unsuccessfully, to get Tidal Customer (Dis)service to fix this problem. For at least 4 months many classical albums on Tidal have been loaded with the tracks out of sequence. It seems to happen most to labels handled by Naxos and other small labels. Customer Service thanks me for the info, passes it on to the "Content Group" and closes out the ticket. I have reopened these tickets on numerous occasions only to be told that the Content folks will get to it when they get to it. I have no way of communicating directly with these mysterious Content gurus.
When a BIS album recently showed up with this same disease, I contacted Bissie (Robert von Bahr) who in turn contacted the Content Manager at Naxos, which is the content provider to Tidal for all labels handled by Naxos. They obviously failed to get a resolution, and now they won't even respond to my follow-up emails.
A couple of weeks ago a new Cedille album showed up on Tidal with the tracks out of order so I contacted the label (I figured maybe a small label would be more responsive). They thanked me for pointing it out, said they would contact Tidal, and .... nothing has happened yet.
This problem does not happen for the big labels. What I think is happening is that some time after the first of the year Tidal made a subtle change in how the content providers should format their submissions, and a few folks haven't changed their files.
I hate having to create playlists because Tidal can't provide the albums in the correct manner. It is amazing that the labels let this happen. I know that classical stuff on Tidal is not a big deal, but what happened to taking pride in your work?
This is also driving me nuts. I use the iPeng playlist editor to select only the tracks I want to listen to, but it would be nice to play the discs thru the way intended.
Perhaps if enough of us complain.
How do you contact Tidal?
Go to tidal.comm, find "contact us" from the menu, go to faq page, find "submit a request". Good luck. :)
BIG horn fluff in the end of the Kalmar/Oregon on Pentatone.
Still haven't heard Copland's own on Everest, and they say it's one of Everest's best recordings and Copland, (for once, apparently), is pretty exciting.
I suppose it had a certain excitement, but I was shocked by how ragged the LSO sounded.
" Strange thing, the latin american sketches are inserted between the movements of the 3rd symphony"
That must be a Tidal oddity. It doesn't happen with this recording elsewhere.
Just DL'd the Slatkin in 24/96 FLAC and compared the fourth movement--which makes or breaks the Third for me--to a 16/44 rip of Oue's reading with the Minnesota on RR. The latter sounds better paced, "weightier", and more molto deliberato than Slatkin's to these untutored ears. FWIW.
If the trumpets and horns sound fatigued, it's game over. Some cruel writing for them though.
Thanks so much though, your ears sound like they're trained to me!
trebly and thin, except for the Bass Drum to me, on CD.
. . . recordings with the DSO (fantastic sound quality BTW!) and his fair-to-middlin' efforts with his Lyon orchestra (although I haven't heard the most recent volumes in his Ravel series). I just wish that the latest titles in the DSO Copland series were available in multi-channel, as volume 1 was (via blu-ray).
For the Copland Third Symphony, here are a couple of others to consider:
The 24/96 download of the latter (with its Plangent processing) is one of the most amazing mono recordings I've heard, and it's now going for 30% off at Pro Studio Masters (for who knows how long).
The only read of the Copland Three that I really like is Copland's own.... With the Philharmonia Orchestra.....
Not the best played Copland 3 out there, but there is a musical connection that are just missed by others.
The Oregon Symphony with Carlos Kalmar conducting on Pentatone. Typically excellent sound from Pentatone with a performance that is not episodic or bombastic.
I do like their earlier album of British music, with the RVW Fifth Symphony and Elgar's Cocaine Overture (didn't know it was used so widely "In London Town"):
Um, that's "Cockaigne". Spell check strikes again?
"The passage of my life is measured out in shirts."
- Brian Eno
I doubt seriously they are in the same league as Detroit.
OTOH, the first couple of volumes in Slatkin's Ravel series with Lyon were VERY careful sounding, with no flair or excitement at all - you'd think a French orchestra could play French music! ;-)
" you'd think a French orchestra could play French music! ;-)"
Just in case anyone misunderstands the point that you are making, the Jun Markle Debussy series with Lyon proves that tney very much can play French music.
a lot of turnover since then.
I think Nogano is SOOOOOO over rated.
That's the LP I have, and its good enough that I don't seek another version.
longer. Great brass playing too: no fluffs, and no sense of flagging energy.
I'd like to hear the early Bernstein. Maybe it will show up on HDTT.
Dunno if its available digitally. Good version IMO.
I imprinted on Copland's Third with Slatkin and St. Louis. I haven't listened to it in awhile, but my memory is that the interpretation is excellent but the sonics are lacking. Maybe now we can have the best of both worlds.
"The passage of my life is measured out in shirts."
- Brian Eno
at Presto at one time.
I listened to much of it on youtube and was extremely impressed. Pacing of the Final chorus is just right for my tastes. Organ comes through on my earbuds pretty well.
Gramophone calls it the "library choice we've been waiting for."
Anyone else have comments?
It's 28 pounds at Presto in hi-rez currently. About average for a hi-rez double album equivalent.
However now may be the time to buy given the further downward spiral in the pound to US Dollar conversion due to the result of our curious general election.
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