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In Reply to: RE: The best modern performance of the Beethoven OP.131 posted by Utley1 on May 21, 2017 at 07:31:32
It seems to me that you have "dismissed" some great or near great performances.
We should be thankful that we have so many from which to choose. This is not the kind of thing you would enjoy over your evening cocktail.
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The Hugo Wolfe Quartet out of Vienna often plays in NYC. Their OP 131 was intense and great and left the audience breathless. An amazing quartet. One can go to their site to get info about recordings and performance dates.They are wildly favored in Europe and for good reason.
The recordings I mentioned are those 'brave' artists, who took the plunge. Op.131 is as nearly as deep a plunge as you go into music. Playing it with its daring spirituality and architecture cannot be trifled with it. You have to take the risks and they have met many Beethoven tests .The groups I 'dismissed' just never got it. It is not something you can be close to getting. You have to be the music and not worry about making the airplane for the next tour.
Preference is one thing. "Dismissing" accomplished groups as if they were musical dolts incapable of "getting" the piece is another - let alone your ridiculous "making the airplane" reference.
SORRY THOSE GROUPS ARE NOT NEAR THE PRIZE.This is not about effort, accomplishment, professional reputation. If you cannot do it stay away from it. Have respect for the a great piece of music.do your early Hadyn, Mozart, Dvorak or something (especially if only you can offer slick pablum.) This is not a plumb tart with with brandy.I have heard almost almost all of these groups doing one thing or another. Not all quartets are equal, even if they sell, and even if they perform 140 times a year.
In the catalogue there are 31 performances available. If you are a professional musician(you are an interpreter and your craftsmanship, skills and intentions are irrelevant unless you can fully serve the work.) That does not mean best of your ability. Or cheers for trying. You get the dynamics and architecture of the piece or you don't.If you do not your work is pedestrian. That is not crime. You signed a contract and this is your business. Do not cry out for this 'artist business.' They know better than you when they stink or more politely, when they fail THERE ARE NOT 31 MASTERPIECES OF THIS BEETHOVEN work. Get it, and get out of your diapers.Beethoven Opus 131 can only be played by heroes
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Glad you surrendered and taken that tone.So much your version of civilization and art. You can protect nothing of value.
I feel safer already.
Culturally speaking.
Obviously I have no objection to your personal faves. You are the arbiter for.......you. Part of what this joint should be about is recommendations, and yours are certainly welcome - particularly if you're familiar with a number of recorded versions of a piece. What I do object to is the completely unnecessary and uncalled for obnoxious manner in which you state your OPINION.I don't give a damn how many versions you've heard. Your conclusions do not rise above an educated OPINION. I'm all for reading inmates' preferences, and have on occasion been influenced to check something out based on recs here. Its something I like about this forum. But is it really necessary to state your views in the manner you chose? Do you really not "get" that rather than "dismiss" VERY accomplished musicians with a backhand flip you can simply state which versions you've heard and which of them are your personal gold standard?
Are you a musician on or above the level of the artists you "dismiss"? If so, please provide a link to some of the recordings you've played on. If not, ya think maybe it'd be better to avoid displaying such an unjustifiably snide lack of respect for players that have likely broken their asses to be able to play/interpret at a level you can only dream about - even if ya don't like their version of a Beethoven piece?
"You have to be the music and not worry about making the airplane for the next tour." GMAFB.
Edits: 05/27/17
I just don't understand people (who seem to come from a place of self styled "superior appreciation"!) dismissing performances by musicians who, I'm guessing, have far more familiarity with the work in question than their detractors do. Like you, I'm interested to read Mr. Utley's preferences in a given work too (and in fact, I don't disagree with them - at least the ones I'm familiar with!), but he'd be more convincing (to me at least) if he'd get down off his self-constructed pedestal on his version of Mt. Olympus. ;-)
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