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In Reply to: RE: "DXD = 32/352.8k PCM - 8X Redbook [file type is .wav and sometimes .flac]" posted by jdaniel@jps.net on May 10, 2017 at 07:58:43
As that is the file type that the use for mixing.
"The recording was originally digitized using the Grimm AD1, which operates at DSD64. The original session tracks were edited and rebalanced (which meant going through the mixer) in the only available format for that purpose; the Pyramix 352.8KHz/24bit PCM (DXD)."
If that's the file they sell and it's the file they use to then produce the DSD 64 and up files for selling, I should be good.
Follow Ups:
. . . why would we need to spend the extra bucks on DSD 128 or DSD 256? And from what you quote, maybe the DXD download WOULD be the preferred format! To me, this is yet another instance of DSD worshippers not realizing that their precious DSD recordings have been "contaminated" (in the balancing and editing stages) with PCM - or else maybe they're living in denial? ;-)
I think you need some Ears-On experience with DSD.
In my experience, anything converted to DSD sounds better.
That being said, Jussi from HQ said to get whatever Version has the least processing, then convert That to DSD.
It works great, you'll be trying it soon!
that would appear to be "DXD = 32/352.8k PCM" as that's what Jared coverts the DSD 64 he records in order to master?
And he sells it as well.
Can't they Master on a Sonoma thingie?
"The original session tracks were edited and rebalanced (which meant going through the mixer) in the only available format for that purpose; the Pyramix 352.8KHz/24bit PCM (DXD)."
To my knowledge, Sony had but never released the gear they developed which would allow mixing, editing, re-balancing and etc. in DSD.
Recall overhearing conversations with an engineer who used to work for SONY on just such a project, even recall he may have been discussing it with the same Jared Sacks.
But my lips are sealed. ;-)
Right, Pyramix, Blue Coast uses it.
I really thought it did multi rate DSD, tho.
That's how they use it, but maybe not comparable to what Jared is doing.BTW, I had a nice experience today listening to my Clarinet Quartet recorded in DSD 64, played back in DSD 128.
Recorded here Tues night in my Dining Room, played in my Living Room w/HAP Z1.Amazing sound from Consumer-Level Gear.
Excuse me, I have to go Worship at the DSD Alter.
DSD.
Not LSD.
Tho...
Edits: 05/11/17
November is a LONG time to wait, at my age. ;-)
I read that he records in Multi Channel DSD 256.
I've bought some recent DSD Downloads that were actual DSD Recordings.
I'll see what they are, and post.
Still more exciting.
Back to Channel, I thought they recorded the thing in 264.
Not DSD extremist, btw.
getting the most out of it, all in DSD 128, no matter what File Format you play!
I use: Remastering Engine On, DSEE Auto, Gapless Auto, Precision Upsampling, and Volume Normalization Off ( doesn't apply to DSD anyway).
I have 3 DACs , all do DSD, The Sony is better,
and it's not subject to the various USB Noise problems, etc.
I think the Stand-Alone Player idea is great, no connection to Computer at all,
only Ethernet Cable for File Transfer and Internet radio,
and it can be disconnected when listening to Files, just in case...
Not everyone appreciates DSD, but they don't have the Sony!
Of course it's not the Only Way, but it's really good, IMO!
I really can't wait for the next-gen version. Their Portable gear has DSD 256 and some other improvements that would trickle-up to the ( I hope) Z2.
Yes, I love mine and can't thank you enough for the recommendation. My gripe is with Channel advertising/offering Quad DSD when it's really only 64. But I didn't stop to read the fine print. Moot point though, Fischer just doesn't have a feel for Mahler, though most of the world thinks otherwise.
It wasn't DSD 64 for long as he converts that to DXD which is 32/352.8k PCM in order to master it.
THEN he converts the PCM to DSD 64 or whatever for sale.
The only question is whether the "DXD = 32/352.8k PCM" he sells on his web site is the same file that he ends up with after mastering.
aren't any DSD 512 recordings, but what people just don't get is that Up sampling to DSD 128 and above sounds Great, no matter what file you start with.
Unfortunately, it's not very capable as a DAC. :-(
SMSL M8 pictured above sounds REALLY bad compared to my Audio-GD MAster-11 on 44.1 and up PCM.
The guy at HQPlayer (Jussi Laako?) seems to think that my iMac i7 is capable of upsampling to DSD 512 but I don't think that the SMSL would justify the effort.
As soon as I get my 'headless' Mac Mini and broken Thunderbold hard drive back from the shop, I may download the Channel Classics Mahler 3 in DXD/32/352.8k PCM just to try it. If it's exactly in the file format he uses when he masters, it might be something to hear.
I read at Computeraudiophle.com/HQ Thread that Macs Don't have DSD 512, only Windows.
I have no knowledge beyond that.
I doubt very strongly I'll move past what I've already got, ( DSD 128) unless Sony updates the Z1 (soon...!?).
The original plan was to convert to DSD 512 using the iMac then send it over ethernet to a uRendu in my main system and then to a DSD 512 capable DAC.
Still haven't sprung for the uRendu because the Raspberry Pi just sounds too darned good!
OK, PCM only and limited to 24/192 via S/PDIF, but still...
I'm not using the Raspberry Pi in the main system, still MacMini which with iTunes and Bit Perfect should do 32/352.8k PCM so that might be the limit of my 'high sample rate' audio for now.
If I end up with a NAS drive with music on it I may get the uRendu for the main system and keep the Raspberry Pi at my living room easy chair headphone listing station, which gets the most use anyway. Wife uses the loft where the main system sits for watching TV and movies anyway.
to Adler.
which I ma pretty sure my DAC can handle (even if in truth it's likely only handles 16-18 bits even with 4 PCM1704's per channel).
If iTunes with Bit Perfect won't handle it (which it should) I'm pretty sure VLC Media Player will.
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