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In Reply to: RE: That's NOT a factual observation, Roy posted by Chris from Lafayette on April 12, 2017 at 12:55:33
It seems to me there are precious few women here, but that's just an impression I had.
I'm a big fan of freedom of expression, and don't think women need me to argue on their behalf in casual discussion group on the internet, so I won't get my pants in a bunch over your babe posts from that point of view.
But if heaping scorn and ridicule on those who dislike the babe posts is the real motive, as Analog Scott suggests, I'm not so thrilled about it. As it is, much of the internet is devoted to beautiful babes. The WSJ, NY Times and other major media have written about the porn industry on the internet and the numbers are amazing. And in the non-porn context, beauty is one of the main tools in the internet's and our society's entertainment and relentless sales pitch.
This forum is a bit of an internet refuge for those who have a serious interest in music. Nothing wrong with beautiful women writing or playing that music, but many here feel this is one place on the internet where music can be the central topic, rather than hot babes. No need to ridicule or deride those who feel that way.
Why don't you keep posting about the babe musicians, but focusing on the music with fewer pictures and without pet names or implied or actual references to their hotness? Trust me, I can figure out when a musician (or any woman) is hot without your help. Those who want to look at the hot babes can do that, while those who want to focus on the music without distraction can do that. ;-)
"But if heaping scorn and ridicule on those who dislike the babe posts is the real motive, as Analog Scott suggests"
Not what I intended to suggest. Poking fun is what I was suggesting. Parody was what I literally said. I see a pretty wide chasm between poking fun/ parody and Heaping scorn and ridicule
on whether one is the teller of the joke or the butt of the joke, pardon my idiom.
one's ability to take a joke and have fun at their own expense. IMO the reaction to Chris's "babe" posts are far more telling than the posts themselves. Why do those posts touch such a nerve and yet so many genuinely mysogynistic posts get a free pass and even worse, majority agreement?
I see a substantial amount of mysogynistic assertions about young attractive classical musicians that in many cases fester into absurd conspiracy theories about art and business that have no basis in reality. I think the mysogyny has to run pretty deep for that to happen. And it happens quite often and even worse, I see these absurd ideas being accepted as fact by a pretty broad group of classical music fans.
As I mentioned before, a number of these musicians are friends of mine and one is very close friend. So yeah, I do take a particular pleasure in watching Chris call this stuff out without folks even realizing they have been called out.
I suppose it's the folks that don't get all that and really think Chris is being demeaning to women with his "babe" posts that are the ones that are perhaps innocent vicitims of Chris's pokes. But I really can't see how one can mistake the content of Chris's "babe" posts with actual mysogynistic content.
I'm tempted to call BS on that charge. BTW, who was the supreme court justice who said he couldn't define porn, but he knew it when he saw it? I like to think that I know it when I see it too. And my posts ain't it - not by a long shot.
Otherwise, I'm not so much in disagreement with your post, except to note that my posts about babe musicians usually include only one pic per post. (I know, there are exceptions from time to time.) And these pics usually originate from either the artists' own websites, or from various arts organizations (as in my OP in this thread about Alexandra [Soumm]). So the artists themselves are obviously comfortable with these photos - and if they're comfortable, then why is there such a fuss among our holier-than-thou contingent on this topic? And if, as you suggest, hot babes are the real topics of my posts, then why don't I bring in pics of non-musician babes? No. Even with the babe musician posts, my discussion is primarily about their music making - except when the pious partisans of women's rights arise to wreak havoc on my threads, and then I spend my time fending off their sanctimonious charges. Yeah, I'm tired of it too, but I'm not going to allow it to limit my freedom to post about what I want.
p.s.: And I would remind you that YOU defended the Charlotte Moorman picture posted below, which easily falls into more conventional notions of pornography. And if I understand your defense correctly, that was OK because Charlotte was doing conceptual performance art and she had gone to Julliard (which made her superior to the babe musicians I post about?) Pretty weak stuff there. Furthermore, to blame my posts for the fact there that are few women here is disingenuous in the extreme. So let me get this straight: there were lots of women here before I joined up, and now they've all disappeared because of my posts? Maybe I should try to find Christine Tham and Teresa and ask them why they left! ;-)
Another Alexandra Soumm pic from (where else?) a legitimate arts organization!
That would be exactly the kind of silly insult hurling that I think should be avoided. I'm not even sure why you're arguing with me. I like beautiful women. I like pictures of beautiful women. You are more than entitled to post them all over the internet, as far as I'm concerned. But here, I'm looking more for discussions about music, that's all. No big deal.
As for Charlotte Moorman, well, I said I'm not such a big fan. I do think she was legit, part of the 1960s multimedia avant-garde movement that led to a lot of the multimedia work we take for granted today. And a much better musician than Yoko Ono, also part of that movement and vastly more famous. I might argue that her performing topless and nude so much was a mistake, as it ends up being the main thing she's remembered for. She might reply that I'm a prudish, mysogynist old white man, and full of sh#t.
Oh well, we won't resolve that. But I have to respect her for participating in the development of what was essentially a new art form, rather than just recording Rachmaninoff and Chopin cello sonatas, which she could probably have done very well, but which many others had already done, and continue to do today. People like that play a crucial role in the art world, imo.
But, all the same, you bring in your reference to the porn industry, and then it becomes guilt by association.
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