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In Reply to: RE: Agreed. It's pathetic and weird. [nt] posted by Mark Wieman on April 10, 2017 at 17:30:05
. . . have been to complain about my babe posts. They seem to be the only thing on this forum worthy of your interest. Don't you have any opinions of your own about recorded music? C'mon, don't live vicariously through my posts - start living your own life.
You made the same argument last time. It didn't make sense then, and it doesn't make sense now.
Just an observation, man. And, yes, it DOES seem weird.
Chris isn't the one who actually does that. If that is what you see then you simply aren't looking very carefully. Obsessing over appearances happens plenty on classical music forums, not so much on this forum as other classical music forums. It is wierd but it aint Chris. Chris clearly "obsesses" over the music and parodies mysogyny and other classical music fans' obsession over appearances. But if you are actually paying attention it ought to be obvious that the content of his posts clearly focus on music. The parodies are often just throw aways. Small side bits. They are rarely if ever the focus of his posts. when they are the focus of his posts it is usually in self defense against the angry mob here who either aren't getting it or are getting it and are made uncomfortable by it.
Which leads me to another point. This hoopla over Chris makes me wonder what it is that is *really* bothering folks. If it is mysogyny then, contrary to claims otherwise, folks aren't really getting what Chris is doing AND they are blind to the real instances of mysogyny and obsession over appearances. Which, IMO, is probably better than the opposite, that folks are getting what he is doing and *that* makes them uncomfortable.
I think it is, if anything, lacking in proportion to the actual mysogyny that is prevailent amongst white male classical music fans that are middle aged and older. It may look like a staple when ypou add in all the responses to Chris's parodies but if you add up his "babe" posts by themselves they make for a very small percentage of the content on this forum.
On white (don't know how race got into it) male middle-aged and older classical music fans? Who are mysogynistic, ageist and racist? And too stupid to understand they are the ones being mercilessly skewered over and over, not the gorgeous young women Chris seems to be talking about? And the more they complain about it, the more they only prove how mysogynistic, ageist and racist (and stupid) they really are?
I see. Given all that, I can't imagine how anyone would ever get tired of all those babe posts. :-)
It's far more creative. I do still find the babe posts amusing and the reactions even more amusing. But then one of those "babe" musicians is a close personal friend of mine so maybe I enjoy the skewering more because of that.
That's where we differ. I enjoy discussions about music, which I thought was the point here.
Remember Monty Python's brilliant Argument Sketch, where the hapless protagonist, played by Michael Palin, accidentally stumbles into the Abuse Office? That might be a good place for you to hang out.
I enjoy discussions about music as well. But I see no reason to limit my enjoyment to just that. I hung out at the "abuse office" for a while, rec music classical recordings. It is mysogyny central. Definitely not a good place for me. I prefer this forum where Chris skewers those guys.
. . . righteousness underlying all the holier-than-thou responses to my babe musician posts.
I'm not going to lecture you or anyone else about how to talk about women. But for me, the whole point of this forum is that there are posters here who know a lot about classical music, jazz, and music generally. What does baiting people who don't like babe posts into heated exchanges accomplish other than needlessly alienating them? Many of them have made numerous insightful contributions here over the years.
You know perfectly well that a forum like this can easily deteriorate into an insult fest resulting in a lot of banning and other heavy-handed moderation. That wouldn't be good.
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