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In Reply to: RE: The Term "Pouty Lips" is downright vicious? Wow! [nt] posted by Chris from Lafayette on April 07, 2017 at 15:12:51
For some mysterious reason, people just don't really see how noxious their terminology/comments really are. I don't know how many times I've heard "I once had a black friend so I'm not racist" kind of bullshit.
Chris, I respect your knowledge of music and you contribute a lot to this forum, but the reality is, your language is sexist, derogatory, and demeaning towards women. You seem to think it is all in "fun," just boy talk. Well, Trump thinks "grab 'em by the pussy" is just fun boy talk. It's not.
If you have so little respect for women that "babe" and "pouty lips" are constant, *constant* ways of referring to them, you obviously just don't get it.
99.99% of the people on this forum are male. Most seem to think it is funny or cute that women are referred to as babes or even more derogatorily. But some of us do not subscribe to that kind of misogynistic world view.
I've said it before. I do not like this sort of demeaning sexism. And I'm sure you still just don't get it.
But hey, we're cool. You go ahead demeaning women and I'll just ignore those posts like TGR.
"Life without music is a mistake" (Nietzsche)
That would make me a SAD panda!
And I can't even offer you a "safe space" to be consoled.
I guess people have to have SOMETHING to get offended about these days - just to add to the general level of faux outrage. As Timbo used to say (about me - but now it really applies to you), your SNAG (i.e., Sensitive New-Age Guy) credentials are noted, but you might want to consider finding something more worthy of being outraged about in the future.
You really are adamant about being an obnoxious asshole. And I'm not any type of snowflake.
If anyone else were the moderator here, they'd probably give you a warning or ban you outright. You behave like a nine-year-old. Most of us gave up that whole name-calling girls thing when we quit going to the playground for recess. Grow up! It's not clever, or charming, or cute, or the least bit funny.
berate is 8 and benign is 9
So it looks as if my nicknames for the various babe musicians were then and still are considered "family friendly" on this site. (And if they're not, something is truly, abysmally out of whack.)
Really, I suggest you go worry about something that's actually important!
Sorry, I don't follow your personal history and I really don't care what you got away with in the past. Perhaps someone should have stopped you immediately rather than allow it to continue this long. I do have many other more important things to worry and care about.
Is that all you took away from my post? I guess you can't see your obnoxious behavior bothers people and might even drive them away from this site, just so you can continue carrying on like a child. Now you stamp your feet and scream "no" when many people reasonably suggest you adjust one aspect of your style. Or perhaps aggravating people here is what you truly enjoy, which would be pitiful.
I worked in a factory for 27 years. Ran a machine, swore like a sailor, used all the bad words for women, men, god, dog, anything else. Still do. I am pretty far away from being PC or a feminist, yet your attitude here offends me because you strive to appear so very erudite and cultured even while you belittle an entire class of people who have done nothing to deserve your derision other than carry two X chromosomes. It detracts a lot from the value of what you have to say. You don't understand that all we ask is for you to change the way you write about female performers?
You're what is abysmally out of whack here, and I suggest you shut up and think about it for a change instead of reflexively posting a hurt little boy retort.
berate is 8 and benign is 9
. . . imaginary rescues of your damsels in distress from the slings and arrows of outrageous nicknames!
If you think carefully about it, YOU are actually the one who doesn't respect women - underlying your outrage is the assumption that babe musicians need a knight in shining armor, such as yourself, to protect their dainty sensibilities from these horrible nicknames which have been used for them. They're so weak, and they can't defend themselves, so they need YOU to speak up for them.
That's fine - if you don't have much of a life other than to guard for transgressions against your ideas of propriety in referring to female musicians, then go for it! I guarantee you that not everyone (and that includes women) shares your particular brand of sensitivity.
That's twisted. Are you compensating for insecurity or merely incorrigible?
I get the feeling that this forum and its contents are far more important in your life than in mine. How does what we request diminish your enjoyment of participating in it? Will your ego collapse if you refrain from pointlessly mocking an entire class of human beings?
Please don't demean Shakespeare by paraphrasing him so tritely. It only cheapens him.
I'm defending a principle: that all people, especially dedicated professionals, deserve respect regardless of their sex. It is utterly inconceivable to me that you cannot understand that and act accordingly unless you have malicious intent.
Can you imagine what would happen if someone began posting threads about nigger violinists? Would you draw the line there? Why nigger and not babe? Is one term less derogatory as a classification than the other? Ask a few women.
berate is 8 and benign is 9
OMG you hit the nail on the head there but please please please don't say babe! (I feel so dirty even spelling it out) Call it the B word. And if anyone asks you which B word it is just tell them **THE**!! B word. They should know what you are talking about.
Chris, you certainly bring out the best in people, especially those who call for sensitivity and manners and then blast you with their own insensitivity and bad manners. :)
Chris, I will address you in the type of language you are familiar with.
You are a douchebag, an obnoxious person.
What makes your behavior pathetic is that it appears you are smart enough to know that you're acting like an idiot. On the other hand, you may be too old to realize that.
Anything else you'd like to share?
keeping in mind the context of the thread.
That said, I've never been particularly comfortable with these 'babe' threads but then I am also not particularly comfortable with the way women in classical music are 'marketed'.
I've been guilty of posting more than my fair share on album covers with what I consider attractive musicians, so I suppose I must share some of the blame.
For crying out loud, this isn't a forced confession, Soviet-style show-trial! ;-)
For the record, trolling was Ivan's idea, I um, reluctantly played along. But you're willing to play the "Snowflake" card? Man, you should be sentenced to listen to the Boulez piano sonatas nonstop for a full week, and as played by Charles Rosen, not some good-looking young babe.
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