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In Reply to: RE: But for my REAL recommendation (and something more up to date). . . posted by Chris from Lafayette on January 26, 2017 at 09:52:28
Puhleeeze! Total jealousy.
Follow Ups:
"I call it [HIP] a slight furuncle. . . it's like a diseased little aspect of what we are as a society - and hopefully we will find real medication for it to go away in the future."
I swear, that guy has a way with words! ;-)
Seems pretty collectable to me! ;-)
Ooh! - And I see someone is trying to unload one of his St. Paul Chamber Orchestra LP's for $89.99!
And in any case, what's determined by collectability anyway? One of the most collectable violinists is Johanna Martzy - the object of a cult following. (I have to admit that I'm in this particular cult however!)
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"[HIP] - a diseased little aspect of what we are as a society"! ;-)
If Rattle has the audacity to record another Beethoven cycle, I'd say Classical music is doing pretty well. : )
In fact, weren't Zukerman and Stern were BFF's? Of course, Stern didn't have the colorful way with words that Zukerman has. ;-)
A disease, as Zuckerman calls it, is something that competes, right? : )Competes.... Takes up precious resources....That's where the violinist's true issue is revealed. Zuckerman knows that there are plenty of "traditional" violinists doing just fine today in spite of HIP and enjoying more of the spotlight and press than him.
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such is his mis-placed anger.
His baroque repertoire consists almost entirely of 18th century "high baroque" Bach and Vivaldi. Their music is particularly amenable to modernization. Bach's dense counterpoint responds well to equal temperament, which was invented in the 1720s but didn't really take hold until after the baroque era. Scholars believe the Well Tempered Clavier was written for a tuning system attributed to Andreas Werckmeister that is a predecessor of equal temperament, but I think Bach would have been delighted with equal temperament and modern keyboard instruments. Heck, his music even sounds good with a Moog synthesizer.
Vivaldi wrote endless variations on his grand, elaborate concerto grosso, that work well with larger ensembles and louder instruments as well as equal temperament.
The baroque music we consider the best or most important today doesn't entirely correspond to what was most celebrated at the time, and I think a major factor is how well the music adapts to modern instruments, tuning and performance practices. Early baroque and renaissance music is very seldom heard today except from the HIPsters, also I think because it is least adaptable to modern performance.
At the moment, though, I like HIP (certain performers) applied to the high baroque as well, mainly because of the heightened sense of dance elements, and the extra "colors" and "textures" that the instruments afford.
If you'll indulge me, listen to #3, Allegro, from La Primavera, (Vivaldi's Four Seasons) below. Wonderful! Lilting! (And if people like Tasmin Little's recent Four Seasons with montovani- oops, modern strings, that's wonderful too!)
Thanks, jdaniel. I liked to the Seiler/Academie fur Alte Musik Berlin samples for Spring and Winter. They appeal to me. Another to go on the list.
Lots of other recordings appeal to me as well: Tognetti/Australian Chamber Orchestra, Fabio Bionde/Europa Galante, Kremer/ECO, the Julia Fischer/ASMF recording from YouTube, the ancient Loveday/ASMF and Virtuosi di Roma recordings.
I'm open to all sorts of recordings, Hip or not.
Zuckerman? I listening to him in a Vivaldi concerto right now and enjoying it. An album with various violin and orchestra pieces by Beethoven, Dvorak and Schubert has been a favorite for a couple of decades.
Zuckerman's opinion of Hip? Hip musicians and their recordings exist in spite of his rants.
Chris's periodic rants: He needs a new speech. We've all heard this one.
my blog: http://carsmusicandnature.blogspot.com/
Hey man, this isn't MY speech in this thread, it's Zukerman's. I'm only the poor, benighted messenger! ;-)EDIT: p.s., you're right that this subject has probably run its course here, so I'll get back to the subjects which renew one's interest in life and art, such as babe pianists and babe violinists, forthwith. ;-)
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But only referring to them by their first names, of course. ;-)
Very nice. And let's not forget there's great French and English baroque music too. Without the HIPsters, you wouldn't hear very much of it.
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most likely that would only be an indication that they were rare, which most likely in turn would be an indication that Zukerman wasn't an especially popular or celebrated performer when the LPs were issued originally, or at least that his LPs weren't very popular. Of course, even if that were the case, it could just mean that he was underappreciated, not that he was a bad violinist or violist. And there are other reasons LPs are rare.However, a quick check of popsike shows that there is only one Zukerman LP that routinely sells for high prices -- the UK EMI issue of Beethoven trios with du Pre and your hero, Barenboim. That one likely is sought by collectors due to Jacqueline du Pre, whose career was cut very short due to multiple sclerosis, as you surely know.
FWIW, I like many of Zukerman's recordings very much. However, the comments you quote are pretty foolish. Among many other things, the baroque music typically played by modern ensembles or star soloists like him, mostly by Bach, Handel and Vivaldi, is especially amenable to modern styles and instruments. That isn't a coincidence. Other baroque music that isn't as successful on modern instruments is seldom heard from the standard repertoire stars and modern ensembles.
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I have that Mozart record. I don't remember how good the sq is, but I remember really enjoying the performance. If I'm ever down to my last $90, maybe I'll unload it.
We saw Zukerman with the Baltimore Symphony under Zinman in the 1990s, playing the Elgar concerto. He was magnificent.
Happy listening,
Jim
"The passage of my life is measured out in shirts."
- Brian Eno
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Another dream dashed.
Happy listening,
Jim
"The passage of my life is measured out in shirts."
- Brian Eno
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