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In Reply to: RE: Please keep recording the way you do - It's righteous! [nt] ;-) posted by johngladneyproffitt on January 06, 2017 at 07:39:19
At least as I've heard it and understand it. 3 spkrs. in the front, 2 in the back? Or am I misunderstanding the surround you do? Obviously I'm no surround expert and don't have a surround system.
As a musician (jazz) I hear from various places on stage depending on size of band and setup. Never thought of an inside the band spot as superior to what you hear out front.
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Sure. The industry standard 5-channel Surround Sound set-up, which is the most common, is as follows:Speaker #1 Left Front
Speaker #2 Right Front
Speaker #3 Center (front)
Speaker #4 Left Surround (rear)
Speaker #5 Right Surround (rear)In the majority of classical music 5 channel surround recordings (usually designated 5.0), the front three speakers reproduce the direct soundstage of the musicians -- orchestra, ensemble, soloists, whatever. The two rear-placed speakers reproduce the natural, reflected hall ambience/reverberation from the concert hall in which the musicians are performing. The combination of this, when done well, reproduces the audio impression of sitting in the concert hall with natural realism.
Some 5.0 recordings of classical repertoire bring some of the performers into the two rear speakers to, in effect, put the listener into (1) the center of the ensemble or (2) in the case of a symphony orchestra, roughly in the same space as the conductor. The second goal is usually what I plan for in my 5.0 recordings, such as the Bruckner symphony recordings in the St Florian church.
I hope this helps! Once you try and hear a good surround system, it is very hard indeed to be satisfied with POS (Plain Old Stereo).
John Proffitt
Edits: 01/06/17
Yeah, using the rear for hall ambience makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.Does Chesky do the kind of surround I was thinking of where the rear 2 channels are actually instruments/vocals rather than just for ambience/decay - thereby providing an illusion of being in the center of the band? I know Dave (played in his band many moons ago) and vaguely remember a rap with him about it.
Edits: 01/06/17
Am not familiar with Chesky jazz surround recordings. But "immersion surround" would not surprise me at all. There are some classical recordings made with the listener in the center of the orchestra. Very "unnatural" but it can be exciting. The Tacet SACD of the Beethoven Ninth puts you "in the middle" and is very enjoyable IMO.
John Proffitt
IIRC that "immersion" style sound was what my rap with Chesky was about. I can't get into that perspective. Too fake. Nobody hears perfect balance when playing in a band, and no audience member sits in the middle of the band.
I like your surround concept, but don't foresee a surround setup in my future. As a geezer with around 2,000 lp's and 7-800 cd's I expect to be a 2 channel guy until I exit.
Nothing wrong with that! Suggest, however, that you visit a friend with a good surround system just to hear how the others do it....
John Proffitt
nt
I have heard some great surround setups. Still prefer 2 channel
Alan
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