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In Reply to: RE: mozart uchida (what ya think, pbarach?) posted by pbarach on November 09, 2016 at 13:20:56
Just heard 21 again HDD in my car (good quality). The orchestra sounds like it's just waiting to play out (coda to 1st and esp 3rdmovements). If we hear this music in the pretty big and Romantic style or Szell/Reiner method, great, why not?
Soloists are very good and sound is fine. But the record almost sounds like most all top orchestras--but they're shackled? The very end shows how powerful they really are! And they "Sound" like Cleveland.
Using Spotify for other purposes, but will try. Thank you.
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The recordings are actually a small contingent of strings and the woodwinds/brass/tympani as required by the specific concerto. Not shackled!
Sounds a bit like Ashkenazy conducting and playing Beethoven pc's, wonderful recording with 80's era Cleveland.
What I meant by shackled is a feeling like there is a very powerful group, not being allowed to fully play out. As I said, the very end of 21 is amazing with a very vigorous sound. When commenting, I had echoes in my brain of Todd K, who always says Cleveland went to ground and became a smooth orchestra with modern playing and no distinctiveness, unlike Szell's group which was instantly recognizable.
The "Cleveland Sound" has actually changed quite a bit under Welser-Moest. The ensemble is as crisp as ever, but attacks are often more gentle than they were under past music directors. At Severance Hall, the orchestra sounds more rounded and less, well, shrill is too strong a word. The renovation has added a little reverb, strengthened the bass, and warmed the sound.
I just read many reviews of the Uchida series, all 5 stars and glowing.
The Cleveland sound I last heard live was Dohnanyi on Schumann 2, with a great Brahms PC 2 with Pollini. At that time, Adelstein was retired and Preucil had taken over. And the orchestra was going to play the same concert series at Carnegie. Year 2000. Prior to that, I attended concerts from Dec 1986 to June 1989.
I have to fish around for 9, but I own and recently listened to the EMI CD of Firkusny/Szell/Concertgebouw Salzburg Festival. There is a Brit review which is almost precisely what I think. Strange sound on strings, very good performance. The writer wanted Szell to be more emotional and "rounder," and claims he's better than on performances by the Clevelanders.
My standard on 21 is the infamous DGG recording of Geza Anda and the Salzburg Mozarteum. I have an original heavy big tulip LP of the DGG, no noises. Makes you think clicks are all dust, dirt, scratches. Great version, mesmerizing at times.
I saw that concert series with Schumann and Brahms. The concerto performance was released on disc as part of an expensive set commemorating the orchestra's 75th birthday--I think it's still for sale through the orchestra's web store.
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