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In Reply to: RE: Your favourite Beethoven Piano Concerto No.1? posted by kuma on August 07, 2012 at 16:25:25
Ruben stein/Leinsdrf/Boston
Poorly recorded, at least as a Red Seal, Rubensteins left hand seceded from his right halfway thru Act One
Gilels/Szell/Cleveland
My hometown side and Gilels can do no wrong plus this full set of Blue Angels has excellent sound. Masonic Hall or Severance, anyone know?
LIBERTY ONCE LOST,
IS LOST FOREVER
-JOHN ADAMS
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Whilst I greatly admire Rubinstein's Chopin work, I am not too convinced of his Beethoven work so far. It's possible that I might have to go back further in time to exploit his Beethoven. Nothing is wrong with the set except that I just felt that this combo sounded to polite and too nice.
For Szell/Gilels, I love their Largo. Szell's swelling orchestral blooms is perfect for Gilels' beautiful but somewhat retrospective phrasing. But, something is lacking on the other movements for me.
This is why interesting to hear Fleisher/Szell set which everyone seems to give it the thumbs up.
Have you heard the Fleisher version?
agree, lacking.
to my ear, as a Szell enthusiast and collector for over 40 years, I don't think these Gilels Beethoven records represent his best work. He seems rushed and brusque and not as tuneful as before, and I think his cancer was affecting him by then. the sound is not good, either, imho.
I'm pretty sure that all of the EMI recordings of the Cleveland Orchestra were made at Severance. That would include the Brahms Double with Oistrakh and Rostropovich, the Dvorak Symphony 8, and the Schubert 9th, in addition to the Beethoven concertos with Gilels.
As far as I know (Todd or somebody correct me if I'm wrong), the Cleveland Orchestra didn't start recording at the Masonic Temple until after Szell died. After that, the orchestra recorded in both locations until recently, when their DG and video recordings (with Boulez and Welser-Moest) have come from live performances at Severance (except for the miserable Beethoven 9th with W-M, which was from a live performance in Florida).
review the link, there are occasional Masonic Hall recordings, but you are just about correct, they are usually from Severance.
I want to express a dissenting opinion--the Gilels Angel set is poor sounding with a blanket over the sound. Very different from the crisp unfettered clean acoustic of the Epic set w Fleisher. Also, the Gilels is not as well played.
I still like what I hear from the Angel set, tho'. Maybe it's the DIY 45 amp and JBL BR/B&C horns.
LIBERTY ONCE LOST,
IS LOST FOREVER
-JOHN ADAMS
well, the Epic set was definitely tube recording equipment, don't know the speakers for monitoring.
Angel EMI ones have made me curious over the yrs, and I even tracked Eurodisc and other European sets to see if the sound was better. I have a incomplete set 4 of 5 concertos, on blue/silver label Angel and a B1 single. I will get it out, and relisten.
I won mine for an Orchestra Marathom donation. Lot's and lot's of Angels.
LIBERTY ONCE LOST,
IS LOST FOREVER
-JOHN ADAMS
Al and I met in 1989 when I was completing my training at the Clinic.
I loved the AM show, used to wake up up up.
On hi quality cassette tape, I recorded some of the shows, including a whole tape of different up up up exhortations.
I took a pic that time and both of us were a lot slimmer.
He had a site to sell his records, but I did not bite--maybe 3 yrs ago.
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