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• Not as good as Bessie Smith.... - Jamboree Jones 11:01:52 04/15/05 (0)
  In Reply to: How did this happen??? posted by Ratty on April 13, 2005 at 10:59:03:

  And she also sold millions of records(but not to teens)
  
  

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• Certainly not as subtle as "I Want Seafood Mama"... N/T - musetap 12:05:02 04/14/05 (0)
  In Reply to: How did this happen??? posted by Ratty on April 13, 2005 at 10:59:03:

  N/T
  There are two types of music- good and bad. Life is too short to bother much with one and hopefully long enough to fully appreciate the other...
  
  

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• Nothin' new, really... - M. Lucky 11:53:20 04/13/05 (3)
  In Reply to: How did this happen??? posted by Ratty on April 13, 2005 at 10:59:03:

  ... pop music's been all about barely concealed sexual metaphor for decades. Granted, this is more crude than most, but it's not much different, really, than all of those blues songs about little red roosters and malted milks.

  What bugs me about it is that there is absolutely nothing else being said here. It doesn't do anything with the tired lollipop/candyshop thing. The better sexual metaphor lyrics usually leave at least a little to the imagination, and succeed by cleverly hinting that there's more going on. This just doesn't go anywhere with the material.

  Things just get dumb and dumber, don't they?
  
  

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  • Re: Nothin' new, really... - Ratty 12:11:49 04/13/05 (2)
    In Reply to: Nothin' new, really... posted by M. Lucky on April 13, 2005 at 11:53:20:

    Were the blues songs #1 in the nation and were kids being specifically targeted by a group of marketeers?

    I get your point but thing that it is misplaced. To sell millions upon millions of albums, this guy HAS to be selling this smut to kids. I just cant believe that this stuff has such widespread distribution. And NO ONE, that i know of, says anything about it. Its just ok I guess for kids to listen to this.

    Ok, I am the odd one out here. I guess I have to live in this world.

    For the record, I am not religious or even Christian for that matter. So don't take my slant on this issue thinking that is where I am coming from.

    
    
    

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    • Re: Nothin' new, really... - M. Lucky 13:59:06 04/13/05 (1)
      In Reply to: Re: Nothin' new, really... posted by Ratty on April 13, 2005 at 12:11:49:

      Hey, I'm not putting you down. I join you in being disgusted by this stuff. But I can think of lots of songs that sold millions of copy that were pretty smutty. How 'bout the Stones' "Start Me Up"--"you'd make a dead man come" is pretty nasty. Or Little Richards "Tutti Frutti"--"I'd sure love to ball ya!" And that was the '50s.

      My reason for bringing up blues examples, which I maybe should have stated, is simply that African American music, because of its "outsider" status tends to be the cutting edge of this kind of stuff, for better or worse. Black guys had been singing about "Mystery Trains" or "Baby Let's Play House" for decades before Elvis did.
      
      

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      • Re: Nothin' new, really... - J 18:54:36 04/13/05 (0)
        In Reply to: posted by on December , at :

        I mostly agree with you but I do understand the outrage & musically, rap-wise, I haven't heard anything by this guy that indicates that he has, uh, 'skills.' But I can't listen to most rap these days & it's been that way for a long time, nearly 15 years now. Chuck D, he's not. Yet what little I heard I didn't think was nearly as lame as the Game, and what little I heard of the Game rec sounded better than Ja Rule by a mile...never liked Tupac, but this crew is making him sound like Elvis at this point.

        Culture-wise, a difficult issue. The argument that it's just something new for kids to be rebellious about just doesn't cut it as much as it once did considering how far the envelope has been pushed. And while gangsta rap was once more easily rationalized as imitating life, at this point the reverse is at least as true. On the other hand, some people do find this artistic. I happen to think Eminem is pretty damn good. But the marketing of this stuff that's way more hardcore than any blues example--where the innuendoes are undeniably more obscure & didn't have video accompanying the imagery, as if there were any doubt in anyone's mind--to people too young to make informed judgments about the content is disturbing.

        But that's free enterprise, where the 'protection of children' doesn't range far enough for some people (some of whom would abuse power under that mantra to what I would consider an unacceptable extreme). And one man's garbage is another man's feast.
        
        

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• his album has blown up - tunenut 11:31:41 04/13/05 (5)
  In Reply to: How did this happen??? posted by Ratty on April 13, 2005 at 10:59:03:

  Number one week after week, probably sold 3 million by now. My local rap station seems to play 50 Cent every other song. Well I think he's pretty good myself. As Jim Morrison sang, the line from the old blues song, the men don't know but the little girls understand.
  
  

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  • I think its totally disgusting. n/t. - Ratty 11:48:23 04/13/05 (4)
    In Reply to: his album has blown up posted by tunenut on April 13, 2005 at 11:31:41:

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    • That;s your prerogative - tunenut 13:00:30 04/13/05 (3)
      In Reply to: I think its totally disgusting. n/t. posted by Ratty on April 13, 2005 at 11:48:23:

      Just remember, half the fun of this kind of music, for kids, is how offended and disgusted it makes their parents and other adults.

      Also remember in the 60s, the most popular band in the world, the Beatles, made songs that were almost advertisements for LSD. The song you dislike is all about sex, which is how we all came to exist. And somehow that seems more wholesome to me.
      
      

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      • oh, another thing - Ratty 15:14:39 04/13/05 (0)
        In Reply to: That;s your prerogative posted by tunenut on April 13, 2005 at 13:00:30:

        I am probably not writing very clear. I am NOT disgusted by this guy's talentless music. I dont care at all that 50 cent exists and have no interest in getting him off the airways. Rather, I am disgusted that this is what kids listen to. I am disgusted that our society has de-volved into pushing porn rap onto kids. I dont know where you live but I live in Chicago. Where having daycare centers at highschools is the norm. Where 75% of minority children are born out of wedlock.

        If you cant say no to 50 cent and kids, what the hell can you say no to?

        
        
        

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      • Fine fine fine. - Ratty 15:07:02 04/13/05 (1)
        In Reply to: That;s your prerogative posted by tunenut on April 13, 2005 at 13:00:30:

        Yes, I know all about pissing off parents. I did it too. But my god that was sooooooooooooooo tame compared to this crap. If you approve of kids listening to this than you would be an absolute hypocrite if you didnt let them watch hard core porn. PERIOD. there is NO difference.
        
        

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        • to each their own - tunenut 19:07:06 04/13/05 (0)
          In Reply to: posted by on December , at :

          I'm not trying to argue here. I don't see an equivalence between this particular song and hardcore porn, but I will tell you there are rap songs that are very graphic, so maybe there is some sort of equivalence. These albums have parental advisory stickers on them, just like porn is not supposed to be sold to minors, but we all know that minors find hardcore rap and they also find porn. I guess people can go on forever about the impact on kids, the impact on society and where lines should be drawn. It's just in this particular case, I hear the guy's music a lot in the car, it doesn't seem that hardcore to me, and I sort of like it.
          
          

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• You oughtta see Lil' Kim's lyrics... - SE 11:04:40 04/13/05 (0)
  In Reply to: How did this happen??? posted by Ratty on April 13, 2005 at 10:59:03:

  Do a search, they're out there on the net. FYI, I think this is the kind of stuff that happens just before Armageddon.
  
  

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