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#1:Jackie McLean, Donald Byrd, Sonny Clark, Paul Chambers and Philly Joe Jones. The tune is "Blues Inn".#2:Lucky Thompson, Victor Sproles, John Hicks from Art Blakey's Soul Finger album. Tune is "Spot Session".
#3:Fairly obscure record. Hank Jones. Thad Jones (pretty young at the time), Billy Mitchell, Frank Wess, Al Grey, Oscar Pettiford, and Osie Johnson. The tune is "H and T Blues". Whew , did that from memory.
#4:Art Farmer, Benny Golson, Tom McIntosh, Cedar Walton, Tom Williams and Albert Heath. The album is The Jazztet and John Lewis. The tune, which John Lewis originally wrote for the MJQ, is "2 degrees east, 3 degrees west". John Lewis doesn't play on this album. He wrote the tunes, arranged and conducted.
That's it. I will be putting tunes on my site on a regular basis but they will be things that I feel like hearing at the time with no guessing involved. Probably will stay away from big announcements here. The climate has changed. I will welcome any comments on my site or on this one if one prefers. Will check in to see what's happening now and then.
Hasta la pasta.
bgs
Follow Ups:
Nice site! I like your music, and your style.
Nice to hear some of these good things. Thank you.
bgs
I though that the tune made it's debut there and then went on to become an MJQ staple? Maybe not . . .
The Bill Perkins thing was a 1956 date. The MJQ thing was in 1953 I believe. I always thought it was specifically written for the Quartet and any other version was rewritten for different compliments of players. I'm not sure John Lewis arranged it for Bill Perkins. I could be completely wrong about that but I think I'm correct about it being originally for the MJQ. Man, this taxes my memory because I honestly had forgotten about the Pacific Jazz recording. I don't have it. It's a beutuiful blues no matter. Good for you to have mentioned Bill Perkins. I had heard him quite a few times when he was with Woody's band. Boy that was a long time ago.Thanks.
bgs
I'm sure you're right, but the version of "Degrees" that rolls around in my head is always the Lewis/Perkins/Hall/Hamilton/Heath version from PJ1217.Perkins was a great player--especially later in life. I heard him gig around LA from the mid-1980's until his death last year and he was really a very gifted soloist--both in casual club gigs and with the Holman big band. I actully went to his last gig with John Heard and Roy McCurdy--can't remember the piano--and he blew the shit out of the soprano on "Straight No Chaser" while barely able to stand. He was dead about 3 weeks later.
Perk told me that John Lewis arranged that whole LP around all the things he COULD do and never once asked him to do anything he COULDN'T do, so the record turned out GREAT. I think it's THE best "cool jazz" record ever . . .
I think you might be right about the tune the more I thought about it. As far as I can remember now, the title came from where the cats were from---East Coast, West Coast. Thanks again.Woody's band had come through Baton Rouge while I was at LSU in the early to mid '50,s. I played in a band at the time with a couple of guys who had been with Woody, Carl Fontana (trb) and Lee Fortier (trp) so there was a closed session afterward with the "friends". I was too intimidated to play that night. Playing in the band I worked in was intimidating enough. I was the kid bari player in the band and an alto player in the big band. Got to blow on every tune though.
Bill Perkins was a fine player and everybody in that band was nuts.
bgs
You and your opinonated--good self-reflective moniker--ness has done it. You think any "tune" is of interest that YOU find interesting. You think any hard-to-find "tune" is rare, and rare = valuable. Really? Is anything obscure of necessary worth? Have you even wondered about it, I mean in life in general not in your exclusive interest in jazz genre. You need to do a little self-reflection, not just your usual I-can-test-others and see-what-they-know in music that's not common but may be of no uncommon value. Oh, and let's not forget we (the masses-as-asses) can't offer any aesthetic judgement on its merits. YOU can call yourself opinonated--others can't have theirs!! HO-HO. "American Bandstand" is your accusation when aesthetic qualities come into play - which is YOUR American Grandstanding in actuality.Respect,
Guy
You are absolutely right. You have shown me the way and I shall never forget you. My everlasting thanks.
Keep up the good work.
bgs
nt.
You and Bluesman sound very much alike. An obsession with my use of "tunes", my moniker, and some other issues. If anyone is interested in numbers I find it strange that you and Bluseman registered on the 27th of a month, one in July and the other in September of 2000. One has a Singapore address and the other one a United States address yet both your computers operate out of the Asian Pacific internet area. I know that this is obviously a coincidence but interesting non-the-less. Same rhetoric----oh I'm not suggesting anything but I sometimes wonder if you two look alike. I love the mysteries of life.Be well my brother and peace be with you.
bgs
Should be Bluesman, not Bluseman!
bgs
Why not write posts pertaining to the subject of the board. Music?
Why not accept *aesthetic judgments* of the music you post? Beauty?(Dis)Respect,
Guy
Dear Mr (dis)respect,I don't know why you are so desperate to offer your opinions. Don't get me wrong - I am a musical ignoramus just like you and I would think that like me, even you would be embarrassed to give an opinion - considering that on this board we are among some very experienced and accomplished musicians. Acquiring knowledge is far more important in this stage of our (musical) lives.
All Barry ever did was post some (in my opinion) great music. If you think it is obscure and worthless that is your misfortune. But the fact remains that he offered you something for f-r-e-e and you did listen to some of the music. I don't remember you thanking him for it. Right from your first post you have been disrespectful (Barry was perfectly civil to you in the beginning despite your stupid comments). I don't care where on earth you are from and what your social norms are (Were you taught to respect knowledge ? Respect teachers ? Are you familiar with the words "Thank You" ?) but in most parts of the world you would be considered an uncultured boor.
-C.
...may I call you that? You should only post when you can properly read posts. Got it? That doesn't mean to misrepresent another's ideas. You can look over my ideas and see that I don't show off any knowledge of music. I don't get upset when aesthetic judgments are offered on proferred music. Your man, "opinonated" is more than just what his moniker suggests: he's narrow-minded. He thinks an obscure "tune" is a valuable tune. I asked why that is necessarily true, and no, is there any answer. No, only his loyal supporters come to his rescue.A forum for music means a chance to offer aesthetic judgments on whatever is offered. Mr. Opinionated doesn't allow that - and I even praised one of his selections [in actuality, I found 3 out of 4 of them to be below par but I never said that until now]. Find where I criticized his selections. You cannot. When I asked for further information [the composer], he self-righteously denied the information. Typical tease.
Freely offered means freely offered information about who the composer is. Freely offered means willingness to accept opinions on the aesthetic value [which I praised in one of the jazz selections]. Freely offered means not in a tone of guess-this-bet-you-can't cheekiness, stringing you along like a little puppet. At first, it's cute and fun. It gets cheap and stale when you ask pleasantly--which I did--and he refuses to answer . . and when The Great Answers come, it's in abbreviations that NO novice to jazz can *decipher*
Find a new teacher. Mr. Opinionated is not that, nevermind his Closeted Knowledge.
Sans respect,
Guy
And it appears that you have misunderstood Barry's posts completely. I could explain the purpose behind the whole exercise of guessing the tunes and the use of abbreviations if I had more time ... but it is something you could have figured out yourself if you had the patience.
Lay off other people. You can attack me all you want but don't put words in my mouth and don't lie. You did say three of the four were under whatever your par value is. I don't care about what you like and don't like. I answered your questions whenever I could figure out your disjointed gibberish. You have a problem that I'm not technically equipped to handle. I've tried not responding to your nonsense but you and your alter ego mention me in many of your posts. I suggest that you leave other people out of this and don't think that I need anybody coming to my defence...in fact I have nothing to defend. I do appreciate their concern and your 'may I call you Chappy' routine demeaning to a real gentleman.Post something positive one day instead of obsessing about me. It might feel good.
Mr. Barry
Thanks, I appreciate your effort and time and would hope it would continue. Excellent didactics that are always informative, and from which I take home a great deal.
That's nice to hear. I won't disappear completely. Always music on my site!
bgs
I'm STILL trying to figure out who's laying down that bass line on your site, shades of Leroy Vinegar but I'm pretty sure it's not.
I wish I could tell you for sure but I put it on when I first set the site up....and I still don't know what I'm doing!!
bgs
I figured that must be LT on soprano--very nice sound, just like you said. Wish I'd had more time to put into this group of tunes, but I'm moving this weekend, and should even be poking around here right now. Yeah, it's gotten kind of wierd around here lately, but it'll settle down. It's been like this before. I still think it's mostly a decent place to find and share info about music. Shalom, my friend.
dh
Much good luck on your move. I have enjoyed this site and I'm sure I will again. I've stayed out of a lot of the nonsense (most of the time) but I do get upset when I see some good people getting attacked.Right now I will relax and put some tunes on my site that require no guessing, just listening. Probably start off with some of my old Monk things. Also want to put on some other more recent, in terms of CD recording, unknown but good players. Could be fun. Shalom back at you.
bgs
Terrific tunes! Thanks for your effort, I enjoy your selections and they add more knowledge to my jazz background. Keep it going please, please, please.Regards.
I will be putting tunes on. Oh yeah, I ran into Judy Bady the other night. She and 2 other singers were featured in front of a composer's workshop band -- separately of course. The big band crushed the other 2 chicks but Judy with that big resonant voice didn't have a problem.Check in when you can.
Adios,
bgs
Great! I'm fond of her singing, she's very talented and I hope she gets the exposure and success she deserves. I'm checking your site after I finish this.Regards, Un abrazo
AJ
Thanks as usual Barry. Unfortunately because of a few deadlines etc, I couldn't devote to them the time they deserved. Lucky Thompson is a great new find for me.Hope you find the time to keep the tunes coming. And guessing is a lot of fun too ! It forced me to start paying attention to the individual players and their styles.
-C.
The tunes will come. It will be a little different now and then.
Thanks.
bgs
And I understand about not wanting to post here anymore. Assholes just can't stop shitting on everybody else here. No discussion anymore -- just personal derision opportunities.Keep the site current. I'll use it.
FR
Glad you understand. Will definately keep it current.
Thanks.
bgs
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