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What does Goreski's Symphony No.3 have to do in the memory of the Pope John Paul II? Was Goreski Catholic?There are only a few versions of Goreski's Symphony No.3 recorded, except a recording with Dawn Upshaw and the London Symphony Orchestra with (David Sinman?) did sell 1 million copies or more, but it is very rare for any classical composer or musician to sell that much.
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Selecting music for official celebrations is sometimes left to people having little interest in music and this may result in rather peculiar choices.When one of John Paul's predecessors died (I am unable to tell by now whether this was Pius XII in 1958 or John XXIII in 1963) some programmers of the Italian radio had no better option than repeatedly broadcasting Mozart's "Baesle" canons. These sound as "serious" music, but the highly derogatory contents of the texts was revealed days later quite to the embarassment of the top officers of the institution.
Similarly, I attended some time ago the official presentation of a new kindergarten institution, and a short video program was presented. The programmers (presumably unable to understand the text) had no better idea than selecting Lou Reed's "Walk On The Wild Side" as the soundtrack: nice song by itself, yet not particularly suitable for coupling with that video.
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A TV documemtary I once saw concerning Gorecki and his third symphonu made it abundantly clear, through the composer's own words, that the Holocaust was the text, sub-text, and everything else. Gorecki lived and wrote the symphony in a city not far from Auschwitz. And the Dawn Upshaw rendition was conducted by David Zinman. Naturally I bought the CD when it was Flavor of the Month and high up on the charts normally dominated by pop music. I was moved by it then, and am even more moved every time I listen to it. The work and this performance comprise a modern masterpiece.And another correspondent who can't see the connection between Mahler's 2nd Symphony and the death of the Pope should be reminded that this is known as the "Resurrection Symphony". Mahler was a non-practising Jew at the time he wrote it, if this has any relevance. As one who lacks any religious conviction whatsoever I wouldn't have a clue.
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...and although I don't know the Henryk Gorecki's deepest, personal religious feelings, Poland was then and is now a "Catholic" country.The piece itself is elegiac, evocatively spiritual, incorporating both 15th century Polish (Catholic) prayers as well as modern texts which ostensibly refer to deaths in the Holocaust. However, given that the symphony was composed in 1976, after the first Gdansk protests but before the success of the Solidarity movement, it's not much of a stretch to assume the subtext refers to Poland herself under Soviet oppression.
Pope John Paul II was active in opposing the Soviet block in his native Poland and remained staunchly anti-totalitarian throughout his papacy.
So...who cares...even you should be able to connect these dots.
To suggest that Gorecki's 3rd was composed to promote some political agenda has a touch of disrespect the music and the composer. If Gorecki did not say it himself, why should anyone else?
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National Public Radio or the PBS network has agreed to broadcast the concert from the Vactian at 10:20 p.m. Try to listen to this. I thought the Washington D.C. network gived up on classical music, several years ago, but looks like they have not. At about 10:49 PM, they now are doing Mahler's Second Symphony, what does that have to do with the memory of the dead Pope?
You know, the tenet that Christ's followers will rise with Him from the dead at the last judgement?
The Catholic Church had a huge influence on the development of polyphony, and thus, all western music. Notable attempts to ban polyphonic music, etc... If you really wanted an answer to your question, it would be more efficacious to do a little simple research rather than being a damn troll attempting to stir up trouble on what has been for the past few days, a very quiet, yet still troubled board.Scram. Asswipe.
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After all, there is a limited chance of there being two separate small-minded inadequates generating similar "troll"-like postings within such a short period.I suppose some sympathy might be in order, as the person concerned may well feel unloved and not well regarded in his/her private life. After all, how would you react if you had such an evidently pathetic inadequate as a family member, neighbour, or work-mate?
Since such problems would obviously be very largely self-inflicted, however, my personal sympathy would of course be very limited...
Personally, I see nothing in the post out of the ordinary . . except the use of no (realistic-sounding) moniker. Surely, nothing to justify your psychological assessment.
There has been some limited further correspondence other than the (both rather insensitive, and provocatively phrased) original posting which may indicate the possibility of a genuine query, rather than simply a troll's provocative "trawl".If if have done the poster an injustice, I of course apologise. Patience over troll postings has been in short supply recently, and as another inmate noted, there were certain similarities in style to the posting from "nobody" (now deleted).
To summarise, whilst I would continue to highlight the self-evident inadequacies of "trolls", I would certainly unreservedly apologise if I have incorrectly included any individual in this classification of such lamentable inadequates.... I would however suggest that posters should be very aware of the implications of the terminology they use in their headers, and be prepared for very forcastable reactions...
I hope that the above gives sufficient background to my comments...
lament or sorrow would qualify as "having to do" with a fond memory (or could even be considered a TRIBUTE) to someone who has died. Down in 'Nawlins, they like things a little more upbeat, I understand!:-)...
Yes, normally in an event like the death of the Pope, the media plays sad music almost invariably written in a minor key (which is of course much more serious and profound than music written in a major key or "mode".}"Down in 'Nawlins, they like things a little more upbeat, I understand!:-)..."
So very true. How many times have I head the "Dukes" (of Dixieland sing their New Orleans funeral which introduces "Oh didn't he ramble." And sometimes the guy who died did ramble quite a bit. Some rambeled here and their doing whatever they did while others rambled on and on, just like I am right here and now. Hehehehehe.
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