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In Reply to: Nicely Written Review! posted by ka7niq on August 18, 2005 at 21:00:12:

Thanks for kind reply in the title.
The rest was heard and discussed several times times before, so I won't comment.

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Re: Nicely Written Review! -(?) - Mr_bill2 11:56:12 08/19/05 (27)
I think the "Subject" line content was all you really needed to say if this was your true purpose re: "giving credit to the reviewer".
- Oh, Please ETFOOM ? - ka7niq 13:35:15 08/19/05 (26)
  My TRUE purpose was to add to the disccussion of the review, and to add my input.
  Last time I looked, this was a speaker discussion board.
  I gave credit to the reviewer for his opinion, and the time it took him to write the review.
  Which, BTW, is more credit then I ever got, for writing a review many of you here asked me to write.
  I guess I would have been better off if I gushed, instead of told the truth, huh ?
  I probably should have written my review a little more thoroughly, but I think I made my point.
  I didnt like the speakers, said why, and moved on.
  In my opinion, I made a big mistake buying the Eminents, and if I can possibly keep someone from making the same mistake I did, then so be it.
  I thought I was constructive in my critisicm of them, suggesting to Bruce that he possibly take a tip from VMPS, and put some NEO magnets in them and raise the efficiency.
  And, perhaps give up some deep bass in favor of efficiency, so the little woofer dont bottom out so often
  I point out that in my opinion its stupid to take a puny little 8 inch woofer down to 25 hz when it cant move enough air to feel it anyway.
  Then, perhaps there wouldnt be a Stacked Eminents "movement", as there is now.
  I say efficiency is a big problem with them, then get flamed by the very same people who are running two pairs, or planning to!
  Go figure.
  I stand by every freaking word in my review, I said what needed to be said.
  Bruce is never going to take em to the next level if people continue to gush, and/or buy a second pair to stack!
  - Ka7 you say Bruce is a great guy but you trash his speakers every chance and accuse him of stealing ideas... - Tom C 14:09:24 08/19/05 (22)
    With friends like you who needs enemies! Too bad your ego is so wrapped up in your inability to properly review audio products.
    - Re: Ka7 you say Bruce is a great guy but you trash his speakers every chance and accuse him of stealing ideas... - ka7niq 00:19:25 08/20/05 (7)
      He is a nice guy, but his speakers suck, ok ?
      They are horribly inefficient, and dynamically limited as well.
      They have problems, big time,
      The push pull design has resonance problems with the cavity resonances between the magnets and the "ribbon" itself,
      The ribbon is radiating right into 4 magnetic poles !
      A cone driver has nothing in the way of the sound, it radiates freely off the cone into the air, but this contraption doesnt!
      It has magnets right in the way of the sound, because the ribbon must radiate the sound right through the Metal Magnets!
      Did someone say time smear, diffraction, or big time resonances ???
      Please, dont even get me started on these, ok ?
      If you have some misguided loyalty, and you think you are somehow "sticking up for Bruce", think again !
      Do what Jeffreybehr suggests, and ignore me, please, for your own good.
      All you are going to succeed in doing is to piss me off, and I am going to go more and more into my dislike of this flawed product.
      I dont know if you are a shill, or own the product and got your feelings hurt ?
      Its hard to tell since you only have 129 posts here!
      But, I would strongly suggest that if you disagree with me, just state your feelings, and move on, Ok ?
      - Re: Ka7 you say Bruce is a great guy but you trash his speakers every chance and accuse him of stealing ideas... - jazzbeat 07:14:21 08/20/05 (6)
        
        In Reply to: Re: Ka7 you say Bruce is a great guy but you trash his speakers every chance and accuse him of stealing ideas... posted by ka7niq on August 2, 2005 at 00:19:25:
        
        So far we have heard a wide range of your insults of the VIIIA all
        in YOUR opinion. Doesn't it seem strange there are numerous reviews
        that dispell most all of what you are stating. So far these have
        received nothing less than superlative reviews from some of the top
        critics and reviewers out there. IE Sensible Sound, Audio Observatory, Stereophile, and most recently a highly positive review
        in HI FI +. But no a man who admitts to using a pair of Ashley public address amplifiers to run his tests has the upper hand in all
        observations. Funny how the many at CES 2004 thought the VIIIA to be
        in league with many dyamanic based systems costing in excess of 10K.
        No boys all of these statements are mere myth , let's let a man who
        can't even read enough prior to ordering and using these make all
        the judgements. ( preferred room size is stated in the manual).
        One point to mention on the side. I had run an inquiry as to the
        qualities on Tyler speakers on the speaker section of Audio Asylum
        when with no real interest aside from having to impose his judgement
        KA7 started his " fire and brimstone " campaign against a pair
        of speakers none of which he has ever heard. But the opinions of
        his friends and advisors rule all. This again turned into a tourent
        of more posts on a single subject than I have seen there. Again
        KA7 fighting off all the wolves who like the Tyler and are reasonable. Check it out it is very funny. Someone who has never
        even heard these making ultimate judgements...
        One last point to mention, as far as my memory KA7 was stating at one
        of his posts that Albert Von Schweikert was custom building a pair
        for him with what was it. 15" drivers with a 30 lb magnet. Wow
        sounds like something good for the trunk of a teenagers car..
        I seriously doubt this or may they are being built just to get
        this guy off his back ...
        Well in anycase I am out of here , had enough of this place.
        Good luck to you all and with KA7 you are going to need it...
        
        You Just Made A Fool Out Of Yourself, LOL ! - ka7niq 08:53:52 08/20/05 (5)
        
        In Reply to: Re: Ka7 you say Bruce is a great guy but you trash his speakers every chance and accuse him of stealing ideas... posted by jazzbeat on August 2, 2005 at 07:14:21:
        
        Fyi, I was forced to use my Ashly's because the Eminents were so inefficient that they actually turned the Moscode's protection circuitry on !
        I have owned 3 Moscode 600's in a 25 year period, and driven everything from Martin Logan Monoliths to B&W 801's, and NEVER activated protection before.
        So, In desperation, I went to my Ashly's.
        Now, the Ashly's I use is a version made for Kelmar systems, a company who did very high end movie screening studios World Wide.
        They use the old, can type Mosfets, like the Old B&K stuff used to use.
        My pair are very highly modified.
        The fan has been slowed down because Mosfets sound better HOT!
        The Input DC blocking Electrolytic has been jumpered, and the few caps in the signal path have all been changed.
        The Power supply caps have been changed, and increased.
        I can change the sound of the amps radically with different power supply caps, and I have several pairs that i use, depending on the speakers I am using the amps with.
        Since I had Magnepan MG 3A's, these caps were selected because they have a very clean, airy top end.
        The MG3 ribbon tweeter will not tolerate any nonesense.
        I removed the Output Inductors for the Magnepans, but still watched the amps behavior on a scope for Oscillation.
        I used them this way on the Eminents since they dont present a capacitive load.
        Thats what an ouitput inductor is for, to protect the amp from a nasty load.
        The Eminents are not a nasty load, so I left them out.
        When I go to Electrostatics, I put em back in.
        The protection circuitry has also been minimized, and the input board has new, better driver transistors.
        I assure you, the modified Ashly is a match for most any amp.
        Its a far cry from a PA amplifier, and even in its stock form will still outperform many so called " high end" amps.
        The amp bridges with the push of a button for about 500 watts RMS into 8 ohms, stock.
        My improved drivers make the Mosfets dance, and mine will do even more then that.
        I used them as Monoblocks, right behind the Eminents, with 3 foot runs of cables, 12 guage.
        I even tried some 14 guage too, just for kicks.
        I have several pairs of long interconnects that i use to alter the sound, and of course I tried them too.
        Now, regarding the Tylers, yes i have dogged them, and i consider them merely an AudioGon speaker.
        And, I have never heard them.
        Aint interested either.
        Why ?
        Because in over 25 years in this Hobby, I have made many friends whose ears I trust who have heard them.
        My friends, who are several Industry Insiders, Dealers, Manufacturers, Etc have told me they arent anything special.
        Some went even further and said they could clearly hear crossover problems, box, etc.
        I have had enough friends, who dont even know each other, say enough bad things to me, that I have formed my opinion about them.
        I dont know how many Audio shows you have attended in your life ?
        Usually, if everyone is buzzing about say the Wilson or Von Schweikert exhibit, you will find good sound there.
        Conversly, if enough people say the Tyler exhibit sound like shit, it probably will.
        My opinions are based on many people who have not only heard them at shows, but in fellow Audiophiles homes, etc.
        Some dealer friends have taken them in on trade, and listened to them as well.
        I have never heard one good thing about them from anyone, except that they were pretty.
        If we met at CES, and i told you i heard The Von Schweikert VR 11's sounded really good from everyone, would you be angry ?
        So, why get mad when I relay the findings of plenty of veteran Audiophiles in relation to the Tylers ?
        Do you own them little boy ?
        Did the mean old Ka7niq hurt your ego ?
        So Sorry
        And, finally, for your information, I am in actual Posession of the Von Schweikert Vortex Screens, they arrived last week.
        There are but 3 pairs in existence, and Albert may, or may not place them in actual production.
        He doesnt feel that the extremely wide baffle design he is using will gain acceptance in the market.
        I purchased them, and they are breaking in right now, as we speak.
        Yes, they do use a 15 inch woofer with a 3 inch voice coil, and a 30 pound Magnet, so what ?
        Jealous ?
        They use a Horn Loaded Morel tweeter, and two proprietary d'appolito midranges.
        The Morel tweeter was used for better time alignment on a flat baffle.
        Its slightly recessed due to its horn loading.
        The speakers are highly efficient, and due to the very wide baffle, have a huge wave launch.
        Albert owned Magnepans years ago, and loves the big wall of sound that big Maggies generate.
        The Vortex Screens weigh about 500 lbs, the pair, and kick ass, and take names.
        They image like a mother funker too, big, wide, deep, and dramatic.
        On movies, they will make you piss your pants because of their high efficiency.
        I am powering them with an old Sumo Andromeda right now, and though they are far from being fully broke in, they are awesome speakers in every regard.
        Here is the "proof" your inquiring ass requires, and next time you basically accuse me of being a liar, think again, huh ?
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        Re: You Just Made A Fool Out Of Yourself, LOL ! - jazzbeat 17:09:31 08/20/05 (1)
        
        In Reply to: You Just Made A Fool Out Of Yourself, LOL ! posted by ka7niq on August 2, 2005 at 08:53:52:
        
        I am sorry Chris it seems we struck a chord. Can dish it out but
        can't take it? Getting pretty defensive son. Have you ever thought
        your comments invoke the same ? Besides the facts don't lie. Numerous
        positive reviews do exist for the VIIIA for one good reason , they
        are good speakers for those who appreciate them.
        Cheers..
        
        Oh, But I CAN take It ! - ka7niq 18:12:58 08/20/05 (0)
        
        In Reply to: Re: You Just Made A Fool Out Of Yourself, LOL ! posted by jazzbeat on August 2, 2005 at 17:09:31:
        
        I LOVE it, keep flaming me, ad we will keep the candle lit!
        My Tampa Bay Bucs are in a heated pre season game with the HATED Jackassville Jaguars, and I still made time to come in here, and check things out.
        What would I do w/o you ?
        
        Re: You Just Made A Fool Out Of Yourself, LOL ! - QuadTodd 15:27:31 08/20/05 (2)
        
        In Reply to: You Just Made A Fool Out Of Yourself, LOL ! posted by ka7niq on August 2, 2005 at 08:53:52:
        
        I would have rather seen a picture of your new speakers!
        
        Since there are only 3 pairs of them, I doubt I've caught them at Best Buy!
        *nudge-nudge* *wink-wink* 'Interested in candid photographs?' - M.P.
        Todd
        
        Re: You Just Made A Fool Out Of Yourself, LOL ! - ka7niq 18:09:16 08/20/05 (1)
        
        In Reply to: Re: You Just Made A Fool Out Of Yourself, LOL ! posted by QuadTodd on August 2, 2005 at 15:27:31:
        
        It will be a coming.
        They are rather plain Jane looking actually, kind of Vandersteen like.
        The grill cloth is non removeable, so you cant see the drivers.
        They have end caps, and look like overgroun Quad 989's.
        They are still breaking in.
        
        Re: You Just Made A Fool Out Of Yourself, LOL ! - QuadTodd 22:54:55 08/22/05 (0)
        
        In Reply to: Re: You Just Made A Fool Out Of Yourself, LOL ! posted by ka7niq on August 2, 2005 at 18:09:16:
        
        Cool! Out in the cornfields of Iowa, I haven't even seen any pair of Von S.'s except in the magazines. Have an idea of yours now, tho, have a pair of 63's myself (Not stacked, vertically or horizontally)Ha!
        Todd
    - Tom, I think you ought to get OFF this vendetta. Just IGNORE him... - jeffreybehr 15:48:52 08/19/05 (13)
      ...if you don't agree. You sure don't offer anything new for us to learn, nor, since he's published his opinions before, does ka7niq.
      I love my 8s and ka7niq seems to have hated his, and it doesn't matter what each of our reasons or bases are. Each of us is entitled to his/her opinion and to air it respectfully. PLEASE allow him to do that.
      - Re: Tom, I think you ought to get OFF this vendetta. Just IGNORE him... - ka7niq 00:31:37 08/20/05 (7)
        
        In Reply to: Tom, I think you ought to get OFF this vendetta. Just IGNORE him... posted by jeffreybehr on August 19, 2005 at 15:48:52:
        
        Thanks Jeffrey!
        We all disagree from time to time, and I really didnt want to get into another flame war here!
        My contempt for this speaker is well documented, and a matter of record.
        Just as you cant understand how I couldnt like it, I cant understand how someone could dump Quad 989's for the Eminents ?
        To each his own, and we are all entitled to our opinions.
        
        "I really didnt want to get into another flame war here!" - jeffreybehr 10:07:21 08/20/05 (6)
        
        In Reply to: Re: Tom, I think you ought to get OFF this vendetta. Just IGNORE him... posted by ka7niq on August 2, 2005 at 00:31:37:
        
        Then why do you post long note after long note? Seems you love adding fuel to the fire. Why not be confident in your silence? If their accusations are far off base, ignore them.
        We all know you hate the 8s. Do all of us a favor and QUIT telling us, no matter how many others rise to YOUR occasions.
        PLEASE let the ET8 lovers enjoy our discussions without your VERY-HIGH degree of negativity.
        
        I Guess I would Rather Die On My Feet, Then Live On My Knees?? - ka7niq 11:04:06 08/20/05 (5)
        
        In Reply to: "I really didnt want to get into another flame war here!" posted by jeffreybehr on August 2, 2005 at 10:07:21:
        
        I guess a persons personality comes across on the computer as well ?
        In real life, I am a person you dont want to ever mess with, for real.
        I am NOT your typical geek.
        I LOVE physical combat, and must confess, I take great delight in knocking the living crap out of anyone foolish enough to cross me.
        I am very well versed in martial arts, being from Seattle, Bruce Lee's home town.
        I learned, taught, and competed in full contact martial arts tournaments for years.
        Wrestled all through High School too.
        Though now 50 years old, I still have enough skill to dislocate someones arm, shoulder, or break a leg quickly.
        Of course, I took Muai Thai kickboxing, but prefer joint submission locks like knee bars, kimora's, and arm bars, from my Jiu Jitsu background.
        Kicking, or punching is way too fast.
        Chokes are too quick, and you cant hear em scream!
        I far prefer to let some idiot "take me down" and offer me an arm or leg!
        I keep them in pain as long as possible, and if they beg hard enough for me to stop, I will let them go w/o permanent injury.
        I guess I am a pretty mean person, because I actually prefer to make them scream in pain as long as I can, before I break whatever limb they are stupid enough to "offer" me!
        In short, I dont take any crap from anyone in real life, so why should I take it here ?
        I dint start these flames, and i was prepared to be cool.
        But,, I am just not the kind of person to just ignore a shot at me, I fire back.
        I was basically accused of being a liar about owning the big Von Schweikerts.
        My amplifiers, and my credibility were under attack.
        Since I cant get my hands on him, I did the next best thing, made him look like the fool that he is.
        Here is the way it is, you, or anyone flame's me, you get it right back.
        You leave me alone, i leave you alone.
        But, when my credibility is at stake, I rise to the occassion.
        
        The number of shots you've taken to the head explains a lot. (nt) - Tom C 13:21:58 08/20/05 (1)
        
        In Reply to: I Guess I would Rather Die On My Feet, Then Live On My Knees?? posted by ka7niq on August 2, 2005 at 11:04:06:
        
        x
        
        Very Astute Observation Tom ! - ka7niq 14:41:50 08/20/05 (0)
        
        In Reply to: The number of shots you've taken to the head explains a lot. (nt) posted by Tom C on August 2, 2005 at 13:21:58:
        
        God didnt bless me with a great reach.
        I fought at 165 lbs, and I am 5'7, short and stocky.
        My weight moved me up against 6 foot plus guys who would pepper me with Jabs.
        I had to take a lot of shots to work my way inside.
        I was a nasty body puncher though, and always looked for a Liver shot, or even a Kidney punch if the Ref wasnt paying attention, LOL!
        I really found my niche in Jiu Jitsu though, and short arms can actually be an advantage because there is less arm to grab and break.
        But, you are quite correct, I did this for a long time, and I have taken a lot of shots.
        God also cursed me with a strong chin, so i didnt go down easy.
        As a result, it took multiple blows to put me down for good.
        I really loved fighting and competing, and I still miss it.
        But, at 50, I am way too old for competition anymore.
        But, every now and then some idiot in a sports bar starts bashing my Tampa Bay Buccanneers .... LOL !
        
        Re: I Guess I would Rather Die On My Feet, Then Live On My Knees?? - Mr_bill2 11:31:04 08/20/05 (1)
        
        In Reply to: I Guess I would Rather Die On My Feet, Then Live On My Knees?? posted by ka7niq on August 2, 2005 at 11:04:06:
        
        Congradulations!!...That has to be the most Fkup shit I have ever read on this audio site. And before it gets deleted, I needed to comment!
        ...LOL
        
        Thats a matter of opinion ? - ka7niq 12:03:50 08/20/05 (0)
        
        In Reply to: Re: I Guess I would Rather Die On My Feet, Then Live On My Knees?? posted by Mr_bill2 on August 2, 2005 at 11:31:04:
        
        Some of your personal attacks have been pretty screwed up too.
        
        How impressive!!!! - jazzbeat 11:19:57 08/20/05 (0)
        
        In Reply to: I Guess I would Rather Die On My Feet, Then Live On My Knees?? posted by ka7niq on August 2, 2005 at 11:04:06:
        
        I couldn't gather this from your posts...
      - Ka crossed the line when he accused Bruce of stealing someone elses patent. - Tom C 17:05:49 08/19/05 (4)
        
        In Reply to: Tom, I think you ought to get OFF this vendetta. Just IGNORE him... posted by jeffreybehr on August 19, 2005 at 15:48:52:
        
        That conversation has been deleted, but I think I have a responsibility to make sure everyone knows what kind of two faced person he is.
        
        Oh, How Wrong You Are ? - ka7niq 00:49:17 08/20/05 (2)
        
        In Reply to: Ka crossed the line when he accused Bruce of stealing someone elses patent. posted by Tom C on August 19, 2005 at 17:05:49:
        
        What you see, is what you get with me.
        I posted my opinions right here for everyone to see, and asked the question that had to be asked.
        Did Bruce's idea have any similarity to Tom Danleys patent ?
        Tom Danley, who also posts here, patented a servo bass device.
        I didnt remove the post, and actually I thought it would strike up a good discussion.
        The Moderators thought differently, and the post was removed.
        How can you call me two faced ?
        I told Bruce right to his face in a phone conversation my problems with his speakers, and thats what I also posted in my review.
        How is that 2 faced ?
        
        ka7niq; even when we explain things, you dont get it. - Tom C 09:43:30 08/20/05 (1)
        
        In Reply to: Oh, How Wrong You Are ? posted by ka7niq on August 2, 2005 at 00:49:17:
        
        When you speak nice to someone, then accuse them of stealing behind their back, that is being two faced. Simple enough for you?
        Servo is a control technique, not a speaker design. If you don't understand this simple concept after all your time in audio, why should I waste my time?
        ka7niq; you just spew too much crap, and it stinks.
        
        Here Is a Link To A Both The Thigpen And Danley Designs ! - ka7niq 10:24:41 08/20/05 (0)
        
        In Reply to: ka7niq; even when we explain things, you dont get it. posted by Tom C on August 2, 2005 at 09:43:30:
        
        I never actually said, for a fact, that Thigpen stole Danleys design !
        I just pointed out what I thought were similarities in the two designs.
        Below is a link to a page comparing both designs, and the page points out that they are both rotary designs.
        If there are too many similarities, and I am NOT saying there is, the Patent office will decide this issue.
        If Bruce was clever enough to improve the technology, w/o infringing on Tom's patent, hats off to him!
        Again, this is way over my head, and will ultimately be decided by Patent Examiners.
        I merely asked the obvious question, and apparently, others have noticed similarities too ?
        Notice, they are both on the SAME web page devoted to rotary servo bass devices ??
        
        Rotary Bass Designs From Thigpen And Danley (Open in New Window)
        
        Re: Ka crossed the line when he accused Bruce of stealing someone elses patent. - Pete Whitley 19:48:27 08/19/05 (0)
        
        In Reply to: Ka crossed the line when he accused Bruce of stealing someone elses patent. posted by Tom C on August 19, 2005 at 17:05:49:
        
        Tom, I'm tiring of hearing your negativity also. ka7niq has done nothing wrong in my book. If he says something I take it as the truth. He has helped me on numorous occations with my system. I owe him a lot.
        He is FAR from the most hated, despised member of audioasylum that has ever come across my screen the past five years. The infamous Tom S.
  - ETFOOM (?) - Mr_bill2 14:05:13 08/19/05 (2)
    ETFOOM?
    Chris...chill, I thought we put this one to bed?
    You have a right to opine, just let's not get over zealous again. I'm sure most here on the panel board know your thoughts on the 8's, so why keep beating it like a dead horse?
    Either way it was a nice review and I hope more will follow.
    - IAGTB ! - ka7niq 00:38:37 08/20/05 (0)
      Hey Bro, its 3 am here in Florida.
      Just got back from a nice time out at the beach!
      Have a wonderful weekend, and lets put this to bed, ok ?
      I am going to take your excellent advice, and chill.
      IAGTB {I am going to bed}
      Chris
    - Re: ETFOOM (!) - Mart 19:50:06 08/19/05 (0)
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