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ML's are trash and he has the world's greatest speakers.

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In Reply to: RE: You can see M-Ls next to washing machines posted by Davey on May 06, 2023 at 07:01:08

That's his point. He's never heard the latest ML's and yet he knows from past models that they can not sound worth a shit. And all the glowing reviews by writers and owners are completely wrong.

I heard the SL 545's. Nice sound but hard to get over the overpowering physical room presence.

Shame on ML for trying to put their speakers out there.

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The issue for me remains coherence - E-Stat 13:27:01 05/06/23 (6)
The bottom four octaves up to the lower midrange is covered via monopole woofer(s) while the upper six is with a dipolar panel. Fundamentals one way with harmonics another.

I prefer full range dipoles or full range monopoles for consistent sound character. Not a mix. To each his own preference. The "Billions and billions served" hamburger approach doesn't factor into my speaker choices.

Which is what Magnepan is trying to do with the CSS dipolar woofer. And found a clever way to illustrate its value. :)
- RE: The issue for me remains coherence - josh358 14:38:17 05/06/23 (5)
  There's another issue as well -- because they excite fewer room modes, dipoles are more accurate reproducers in a real room. The bass is smoother and more realistic.
  
  You can achieve the same thing by using four properly placed monopole woofers, but that isn't practical for most people.
  
  Of course monopoles have their advantages -- small, do great chest thumps -- and this has apparently been a winning combination for ML. Hell, I wouldn't even argue with it. Some people would rather have chest slam than realism. to each his own.
  - Don't know why, but - E-Stat 17:46:57 05/06/23 (4)
    I am just particularly sensitive to abrupt changes in directivity.
    As a teen, I never enjoyed the super popular JBL L100/4310/4311 series of speakers. The 5" midrange is pushed a good octave beyond its ability to deliver smooth directivity and possesses a weird funhouse mirror effect for instruments that span the midrange and tweeter. Too distracting. At the time, I chose Advents which certainly have their limitations but those fall into the sins of omission category. Still use a pair in the garage today.
    Hearing Tympani IIIs at age 17 served as a major recalibration of just how realistic an audio system could sound. Shortly afterwards, I purchased MG-IIs. Since I've been accustomed to full range dipoles since 1975, I just don't favor monopole/dipole hybrids that cross in the midrange. Once again, I find the abrupt transition too distracting.
    For me, the issue is inherent to the design and not just a lack of refinement. I'm a rider and find the same challenge with single pin 45 degree V-twins. They will always possess an inherently high level of vibration. And yet, they serve to power the most popular cruisers. Give me a 90 degree V-4 or a boxer six any day.
    Others clearly enjoy them, but they're just not my cup of tea. :)
    
    Edits: 05/06/23
    - RE: Don't know why, but - TitaniumTroy 21:04:19 05/06/23 (3)
      What's Wendell up to for this show?
      - Martin Logan calling.....nt. - ABliss 17:23:18 05/09/23 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Don't know why, but posted by TitaniumTroy on May 06, 2023 at 21:04:19
        
        Nt
      - Taking a break ;) - E-Stat 12:43:41 05/08/23 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Don't know why, but posted by TitaniumTroy on May 06, 2023 at 21:04:19
        
        Back at noon!
      - RE: Don't know why, but - MarcL 05:08:54 05/07/23 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Don't know why, but posted by TitaniumTroy on May 06, 2023 at 21:04:19
        
        Time machine!
        
        Agilist, Musician, Photographer, Audiophile
        Magneplanar: 3.7, CCR, MC1,LRS, MMGW, DWM; Outlaw: UltraX12, LFM-1C; Emotiva: XMC-2; Nord: Nord One NC500DM, Nord Three 1ET7040SA; Outlaw: Model 7500; OPPO 205
RE: ML's are trash and he has the world's greatest speakers. - Davey 09:34:56 05/06/23 (0)
Yeah, thanks. I got his shtick a long time ago. :)

Dave.

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