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Never took a liking to hybrids either

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In Reply to: RE: what is the MartinLogan - ElectroMotion ESL 8" like to live with ? posted by trioderob on November 26, 2022 at 08:45:57

As a coherency freak, reproducing all the music fundamentals with a monopole driver up to 500 hz transitioning to a stat for the harmonics with decidedly different directivity sounds strange to these ears.

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I've never heard the ElectroMotion either. - jimbill 10:50:08 11/27/22 (2)
But my 13a's crossover at 300hz and they go down to 24hz. And the dual woofers blend in without notice to my ears.
I'm sure the larger Sound Labs sound better because of the much larger panels. I've noticed a not insignificant difference between the 15a's and the 13a's due to the larger surface area. But for a full range you have to go with the Ultimate 745's or 945's to get down to 24hz or better.

Edits: 11/27/22
- RE: I've never heard the ElectroMotion either. - E-Stat 18:07:45 11/27/22 (1)
  But my 13a's crossover at 300hz
  Still in the fundamental range of voice and most instruments.
  I'm sure the larger Sound Labs sound better because of the much larger panels.
  Size alone improves image height and bass extension, but that's not where the real magic lies.
  Whatever you do, don't listen extensively to a full range design with piano or symphonic content. ;)
  
  Edits: 11/28/22
  - The first tune I heard on large Soundlabs - G Squared 19:05:42 11/28/22 (0)
    sold me. It wasn't piano or orchestra. It was a little country. The percussion attack was as good as it gets.
    Gsquared
    - https://youtu.be/92jUf1aUogI (Open in New Window)
It's my understanding that, FWIW, the more recent M-Ls have dynamic sections that... - MWE 18:49:17 11/26/22 (1)
at least partially mimic dipoles, using a dual-driver sliding-phase scheme. I haven't yet heard one, but would like to for curiosity's sake, though I'm quite satisfied with my (biamped) Maggie 3.6Rs. There is a dealer fairly local to me in Raleigh; I might pay them a visit at some point.

Mark in NC
"The thought that life could be better is woven indelibly into our hearts and our brains" -Paul Simon

Edits: 11/26/22
- RE: It's my understanding that, FWIW, the more recent M-Ls have dynamic sections that... - svisner 10:22:07 12/01/22 (0)
  I purchased recently a pair of MartinLogan ESL 9s. I find their bass integration quite effective and smooth. No "boom" and good transition from the electrostatic drivers to the dynamic woofers. I use a vintage McIntosh 240 amplifier, which seems comfortable with low impedance loads.
RE: Never took a liking to hybrids either - Norman M 16:11:12 11/26/22 (1)
To my (limited) understanding the 30.7 'for condos' is a hybrid, and in whatever stage of development it was, knowledgeable listeners weren't able to say enough good things about it.
- Two differences from my understanding - E-Stat 16:51:53 11/26/22 (0)
  Dipolar bass with lower xover.
  
  My HT technically qualifies as such, but uses dual subs placed at room diagonals for sub duty only-not the lower midrange.

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