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In Reply to: RE: 90db peaks, Bonzo, and you posted by farfetched on February 23, 2021 at 15:02:22
and I will, is how wise his approach for volume is. If you read some of the posts here (and the rest of AA) you might think that some of the inmates have hearing problems because of the SPL volume they listen to 'because that's the way you do it if you are a true audiophile'.
If you follow this concert level hogwash you will punish your ears to do it, and as you grow older you have to turn it up even more for the same effect. It's a bunch of crap. Protect you precious hearing.
Example - don't use a vacuum 1st thing in the morning and when you do vacuum use ear plugs. Sustained levels of any kind of volume will take its toll and you will have tinnitus and hearing loss. Don't find out when its too late to fix it because you can't 'fix it'.
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Before the era of hearing protective devices, performers like classical music conductors made it part of their careers to stand less than ~10 feet away directly in front of a 125+ member orchestra/chorus rehearsing, performing and recording blockbuster compositions, e.g. Mahler Symphonies. L Stokowski conducted his last commercially released recording in his 95th year and a performance in front of an audience at age 93.
I recall having listened to a Mahler Symphony (in Lincoln Center) whose sound was so overbearingly loud that I found myself reflexively using my hands to cover my ears. Needless to say my listening room is sub-microscopic in size compared to a concert hall but that totality of such sound exposure (in frequency range of the instruments involved) could never take place at home. At least in part that's what made it so desirable. Not to imply that I think it's safe without severe consequence to routinely expose oneself to such loud sound.
It's true, folks, it's true.I'm late 50's, 14khz in each ear at *low conversation" levels, and I can hear a wrist watch tick.
if you will forgive the terrible truth:
THIS ONE CRAZY SECRET IS DRIVING AUDIOPHILES CRAZY!
72db is *my jam*. I can near deep into the mix on this rig. Oh baby.Audiolab was said to be "analytic" -- it's only analytic if you mistake it for an audio steamroller.
Important post, Story. I really wish young audiophiles did not try to replicate EDM.
As Robert Plant once asked, "Does anyone remember Haydn?" (!!!)
/ optimally proportioned triangles are our friends
Edits: 02/24/21
Tick tick tick...
And? Hell! I served on submarines. Did everything I could to protect my hearing, and it was WORTH it!
That is truly pro level foresight, friend!
The last time I went to a club with loud music was the mid 2000's, with a friend, we both wore earplugs and it was still too loud. I think it was a small bar/venue, and it was the Dandy Warhols. Or the Brian Jonestown Experience. I get mashed up names mixed up.
Those musicians were not only clearly junked up, but they clearly were seriously deaf. My ears still rang, and I was wearing Mack's highest rating foam plugs, my standard for any loud activity.
I noticed the young bartender not wearing any earplugs. I gave up back in the 80's and 90's trying to warn my friends, watch out for this walkman/discman stuff, you can't overpower a subway, wear plugs. No one listened.
And today, no one listens? It is a health issue we probably should realize is a hazard of modern music. I wonder what the hearing of an average American 57 year old is today? I bet it is heavily notched and barely hitting 10khz.
It is a taboo topic even though it should have its own forum, frankly. Should be a "read this first" forum.
My dad was Navy. Late 50's. Worked the line in San Diego for planes taking off to go wherever. His job was to check to jet engines for any signs of stress or fluid leaks, right before they went into the take-off line to let it rip.
He is 82, his hearing is a bit deaf, and his range is 5khz. But given he looked into jet engines with a flashlight for four years, as the pilot would rev them, and this was well before the era of hearing protection, he is damn lucky. He said they used hand signals because you could not even hear a shouting voice on that line. Even right next to you.
I am guessing submarines are quite clangorous. You are basically inside one giant, sealed machine.
Grats on your foresight :) enjoy the tunes, you old bubblehead!
/ optimally proportioned triangles are our friends
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