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In Reply to: RE: Here you go posted by josh358 on July 22, 2017 at 10:19:00
Thanks. I am going to periodically going to need help from my online therapists. :).
Here is what I know. They do sound remarkably better than my logans right now. However, do not sound as good as when I demo'd them 2.5 years ago. I know there is more to give and am just anxious to get there. And along the way the psychosis sets in. Is it my amp? Is it my room? Or do I just need to be patient and let them run in for 300 hours.
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LOL, welcome to planar setup land. :-)
Things will get better, I promise, but planars are the very opposite of set and forget -- they're actually more independent of room acoustics but more dependent on setup than other speakers. And at some point, after you've seemingly tried everything, you'll find a position where everything just gels.
Mark it with tape when you do! Otherwise, you'll lose it and drive yourself crazy trying to get it back again.
There are just too many variables -- distance, separation, toe-in, tweeters in and out.
I'd use the time while your speakers are breaking in to experiment with position. Usually that ends up pretty conventional -- speakers pointed at you, 60 degrees apart or somewhat less, out as far as you can from the front wall up to 10' or maybe even more, side wall distance less critical maybe a couple of feet. And within that you can push them back and forth (and your listening seat) to tune the bass, maybe try HP's rule of thirds.
Then, when you have an idea of where you want them and they've burned in, you can fine tune the room's acoustics, e.g., if they're too bright, add some absorption, or use diffusion to deal with slap echo if the absorption is already where you want it, etc. Bass in particular is very room dependent and since speakers can only be designed or a nominal room they could end up with too much bass or bass shy, in which case Wendell recommends using a DWM to tune bass levels. (Actually I think all bass should be equalized, you just can't get it right otherwise, even with bass trapping.)
Anyway I think the point is that it's to be expected that the sound will improve as you tweak the setup and they burn in, so nothing to worry about. I'm still playing with my IVA's, it's amazing how much the sound varies with position.
Yes I have experienced similar with my Martin logans but not to this degree.
The sound is definitely changing. Things are getting 'gooder'. :). Interesting as voices seem to start to come more forward a bit and other things that may have been in the background are starting to pop out to the front (cymbals , drum hits ). You know... more cowbell? :). Without moving or changing anything. But that does make sense.
Odd as it may be - I am more critical listening to acoustic and or rock as the problems just are easier to identify for me. With the symphony the soundscape is so vast and everything just seems to sound great to me.
I will get pics. For reference- I am running a ps audio directstream directly into my sunfire signature amp in a 17x30 room. Speakers are currently around 10' from front wall. I have terabytes of hi res recordings that I am pushing thru the DS.
I've wondered sometimes whether break-in didn't affect the midrange driver. My sense with the MMG's was that it did, but I was never sure. Hell, maybe even ribbon tweeters become more limber after they've flexed a bit?
Pics would be great. 10' from the wall should be ideal from an imaging perspective, I envy you! That gives you about a 20 ms initial time delay which is typical of a concert hall and what you aim for when you build a studio control room with a reflection-free zone. Of course, you may still want to play with position, e.g., to tune the bass.
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