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In Reply to: RE: Tube - Solid State Mags-ML posted by timm on May 10, 2017 at 09:36:09
In that price range are unfortunately are out of the question running 20.7 if you listen at realistic levels.You could however easily run tubes with 20.1s bi-amp'd. I run a pair of Quicksilvers (200 watt monos, $3k used per pair) and a pair of Emotivas (1K watt monos $2K used).
But even at 200 watts per side the Quicksilvers are pumped keeping up with the mid/tweeters. Throwing in the bass panels within that mix isn't something I'd want to do.
Edits: 05/11/17Follow Ups:
Is the Quicksilver the V4?
Yes, V4s; the base is simply a ironwood cutting board I found on Amazon.
IKEA sells a number of kitchen cutting boards, made of bamboo. Really cheap!
Thanks GL. By base I meant of the amp itself---the V4 has a beautiful chrome plated metal one, the RM-200 a light wood one.
Man, that is one beautiful looking amp! Rather similar to my Music Reference RM200, but with a chromed metal base instead of a wood one. GL, do you know the model number? 200 watts out of four (what appear to be) KT88's?! Roger Modjeski supplies tubes to Mike, and speaks highly of his designs and products, a rare endorsement from Roger :-).
The Rogue Apollo is somewhat successful in driving 3.x in conjunction with a subwoofer.
But to power a big maggie in single amp with tubes you need more like 400 watts min. Which brings you to the really big VTL Siegfried and Wotan and large Audio Research double decker amps. Or older Manley power houses. The biggest new Carver amps too are possible options. But there are other very large power amps from smaller manufacturers.
the VTL MB-450 provides that kind of power. An early version like mine can be found for around $4k.
Yes, that is a good option, though still outside the OP's budget.
It did occur to me to look into thing like the early 90s triode switchable giant amps from Melos. Backed up by a good tube repair/mod shop these are great deals for high power tube amplification.
This "savings" model has sent many of us into penury. All very familiar.
The Sunfire is a strong performer so beating it requires an investment of some size. The Sunfire 600
and the Magtech shootout point to the Magtech being a better choice but at a steep premium. Sorry I didn't keep the URL and didn't find it in my quick Gsearch.
Power wise, the A21 is not stronger than the big Sunfire, but it is somewhat more refined.
There are quite a few options we went over earlier but they come down to you going to something very old or to a value brand (another we didn't mention is the W4S 1000 monos that many planar owners like). The Gilmore Raptors are another value priced class D with a good reputation driving planars, I think Al Sekala was a fan-boy for them.
Thanks Satie. I appreciate the input. And I got a good laugh out of the 'savings model'
pen·u·ry
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noun
extreme poverty; destitution.
"he died in a state of virtual penury"
synonyms: extreme poverty, destitution, pennilessness, impecuniousness, impoverishment, indigence, pauperism, privation, beggary
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Why not buy an Odyssey Khartago for your son, recover the amp you gave him for the MLs, and use your Sunfire on the Maggies? Total cost maybe $1000. Penury avoided.
Hahaha. Now that is not a bad idea!! I think there is going to be some synergy with the sunfire amp and the Maggie's. Just a hunch.
My response was as much for your edification as his.
My pair drives the heck out of Sound Lab U-1s!
Well. Let me explain a bit more. The scenario is really do I keep the sunfire for the Maggie's and get something cheaper for the secondary system. Or get something better for the Maggie's leaving the sunfire in the secondary system ?
With this audioholic mentality I could consider the delta between the cheaper amp and more expensive. So as an example... I need an amp. If I bought a better amp for the mags I could justify a 2-3k savings by not buying the cheaper amp for the secondary system Hence if I bought a 5k amp the delta is 2-3k.- and that is my real cost as I need to buy an amp anyway. :). Am I the only one here that uses this logic?? Haha. If you follow !!
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