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I've owned 1.6s for years now and I love them although I've always found them lacking in bass to some extent. At one point years ago, I was seriously looking at the Rythmik F12 subs. At some point I just put it on the back burner. I'm starting to get the bug again and I took another look at the Rythmik site. I was thrilled to see they have added a less expensive version called the L12. My intention has always been to get two subs if I every got any. Does anyone have any experience with the L12 and 1.6s? Any thoughts and opinions would appreciated.
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My 1.7's and my F12 play as one and are inseparable. A wonderful cost effective combo if ever there was one!
Go open baffle. Blends nice with maggies. No boxes.
Helmholtz, are you still around? Wow. I almost never look at the forum any more.
But, re: your comment- YES open baffle will give you bass without "box" sound, this is a good match to planar speakers.... which have no box. Thinking out of the box, so to speak.
Not sure that open baffle will satisfy people with home theater systems and a video library full of films with explosions, but I've always thought GR / Rythmik's open-baffle subs were super MUSICAL.
Now yer talkin', hemholtz! But the OB/Dipole Sub is available as a kit only---you buy the two woofers and one plate amp (that comprise one sub) from GR Research or Rythmik, then either build the W- or H-frame it is installed in or buy the H-frame from the Canadian woodworker making and selling them to GR customers. It's a great design (by Danny Richie of GR), and very well made (I bought a pair) of 1-1/2" thick MDF (!), but you still have to assemble (glue, clamps) and finish it---paint or veneer. But you're right, a pair of them is the ultimate sub for planars, unless you have a pair of Tympani's! A pair of the kits is $1500, a pair of the frames a little over $500, and then the cost to finish. A fair price, but perhaps more than the op wants to spend.
Edits: 05/03/17
Speaking of which, did you ever get a chance to do that OB/Tympani comparison?
Josh, getting my system up here to Vancouver was delayed due to a bunch of health issues---not mine, but both my sisters and one of their husbands. I couldn't leave for SoCal until last month, but I did get all my equipment, LP's and CD's, etc. up here. I just painted the listening room today (Sherwin Williams "Mink"), tomorrow the second coat. Then I can start breaking open the boxes---but first the Tympani IV's, to have a look at the back of the terminal plates and the cavity behind each. Slowly but surely!
Sorry to hear your relatives were sick, hope they're feeling better!
Otherwise, I know the feeling, having had to disassemble everything for a week just when my new amp arrived to repair the ceiling in my listening room. But I've sworn to do a serious amp comparison today since I have a 30 day window in which to decided whether to keep the new amp and I'm not sure about its performance on piano recordings.
Meanwhile, I'm keeping an eye on this thread since I'll have to deal with my own connectors and fuseholders at some point . . . for now, I'm just winging it (which includes using a banana plug on one of my crossover connections since my crossover boxes are missing two set screws).
I also found a broken cold solder joint in one of the crossover boxes when I opened it to check something for Kentaja -- low frequencies were leaking into the midrange and muddying the sound of one speaker and degrading imaging as a result.
I heard those in the GR Research set. It sounded great.
Joe, if you can swing it, a pair of F12G's (with paper-cone woofers) or F12's (aluminum) will be great with your Maggies. There is a frequent poster on the Rythmik AVS Forum who has four F12's with his MG3's, and loves them. He had just a pair for years, and only recently added another pair to his system. Buying two at a time gets you a 10% discount. The economy 12" models are good, but Maggies deserve the F models.
I was hoping to hear good feedback on the Ls. The price point is so enticing. Two Fs is more than I can really spend right now.
I'd go with one F12 or F15 and keep the crossover frequency low. One better sub with parametric EQ is better than 2 lesser subs. You may never need 2. One F15 in my set up is perfect, but my mains are rated to -3db at 27 Hz so my crossover frequency is around 40 Hz. I do not have a localization issue.
I have two F12s augmenting Magnepan 1.7is in a heavily treated 9x12 room and I believe the SQ is very good. The equalizer on the F 12s is very useful in my acoustically challenged room, I needed to cut back on their power to keep them from overwhelming the system but they add a striking level of depth to the sound. A piano now sounds like a piano and a cello like a cello. Placement is everything and I've found that even a half inch change can make a big difference. It took me three years to get the room properly set up and with the aide of Brian Pape at GIK Acoustics, (the consultation is free). I dream of substituting Quad 2812s for the Maggie's but that's what audiophiles is all about, isn't it?
I bet that setup sounds sweet!
I have a F15 with box speakers. It is great I considered two L12s. The good folks at Rythmic advised me to get one in the F line with more power, better components and a parametric EQ. I think they were right.Talk to them. Good to work with.
Edits: 04/30/17
I forgot to mention that this is a music only two channel system.
The recommendation stands. I have HT, but got the Rythmic for 2 channel music. Really low distortion, endless output and the parametric EQ really helps integrating the sub and mains.
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