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Speaking with Wendell discussing wiring their DWM panels he said *"Just use cheap 16ga speaker wire" in addition to more important specifics which I was calling about - One fix in conclusion was his sending along a pair of inductors and an assortment of resistors to pad down output volume and incoming midrange frequencies,
I had said in opening, I was only wiring up one set of post connections of the 4 posts per panel as that level was nearly perfect other than needing to trim the mid bass freqs on up, to be rolled off.
When he said that * , I had to chuckle ; Perhaps he saw I listed in profile my DIY Belden wire cables and Blue Jeans Cable ICs ; with the use of them it's probably true pretty much anything would suffice, especially with my planing to limit their upward range...But -
Now, having just recently finished completing this systems gears I have turned to addressing the cables finishing touches upgrade - And Good God , what a system transformation good cables made to this systems presentation relative to , "BJC LC-1 ICs / Belden wires w BJCable proffered connectors vs Mapleshade Excalibur ICs and their speaker wires - I am astonished at this systems potential I chose to bottleneck by using on hand BJ Cables on such a high resolution system .
O.K. , I know what you're thinking : Boneheaded Neo-Luddite ;')
EX-Luddite has epiphany , lol ;')
But here's the thing , "The message I got from Wendell Diller / Magnepan".
"Just use any old cheap thin mass market wire" .
- Well it maybe overkill @ $452 per $745 panel @ 4 posts each (maybe the point Wendell was making?), but as I now say; I may conclude to exercise 30 day return policy by inSound/Mapleshade if Wendell @ Magnepan is proven correct after I compare or contrast by experience here.
2.5k for wires on this 24k system sounds just about right (pun), on the low end , actually .
1st world problems , I know right .
- NEO - EX - Luddite (though still a boneheaded music lover ;')
Follow Ups:
I will discuss this "NP Silver" with my Primary in a follow-up shortly , in addition to the 7 pill 4 dosage daily cocktails I'm already taking with short term low dose antibiotics or steroids intermittently - I do appreciate the recommendation(s) .
Re: Position, as of late I have these 3.7is pointing to cross just before the LP with only one 2' x 4' absorber centered both at the Front and Back walls to very good effect - To my ear , don't laugh ;')
-Good listening
Your physician is likely to be ignorant of how to use NP silver ,or even what it is and what it does. The bulk of the research is quite new. An integrative medicine doctor is much more likely to know. Unfortunately those don't usually take insurance and are rather expensive.
Not an issue on relative costs, These Maggies are high resolution speakers and thus can do more than others costing much more. Just judge with your ears and watch out for deliberately euphonic cables. Those tend to wear out their welcome in quick order. I have seen 3.6 and 3.7 based systems with painfully expensive Nordost looms that cost more than the speakers. You can DIY for less and not lose much quality. But if you can afford it you should take the cables as high up as makes a difference on the speakers and amp..
Good points .
Was it yourself here who mentioned parallel wiring as an option, maybe Cat ?
How about:
Wiring Configuration for 4 Speakers in Series/Parallel
Four 4 ohm speakers = 4 ohm load
Four 8 ohm speakers = 8 ohm load
Four 16 ohm speakers = 16 ohm load
Fortunately the Magtech has a large opening through the banana terminal posts for the many wires I'll need to connect .
I need to have my dealer work through my wiring options on paper and the benefits/drawbacks of each option , other than employing the Halo A-21 .
One of the benefits of better interconnects and upgraded speaker wires I find I'm listening at lower levels and enjoying the fuller, clearer , nuanced entertaining music which will be helpful adding 2 more speakers to the Magtechs load .
I will take your advise enclosed in mind !
I don't recall talking about it here specifically, but you need to consider that the optimal load for the Magtech and A21 is 4 ohms to at once avoid overheating at low load under 2 ohms and get the most current out of them. An 8 or 16 ohm load will get you lower power than wiring for a 4 ohm load.
What you are hearing with your new cables is what you would expect with a new cable loom of well regarded product vs. a very cost conscious choice such as BJC. My own favorite is the mil spec silver plated stranded teflon or kynar dielectric cable available in many locations from ApexJr to Ebay. Very clear and rather neutral with a slight tendency to brightness. I use it for phono cable, pre to mid/tweet power amp, mid/tweeter speaker wire and hookup wire inside the speaker, My JPS Superconductor (the original) has better bass but loses out at least marginally on detail. On the speaker cable side, my Tara Air2 RSC sounds artificially ripe in the midrange, something we also noted in comparing higher priced Tara cable when compared to very costly MIT cable.
> > > > mil spec silver plated stranded teflon or kynar dielectric cable < < < <
hi Satie, do you have a direct link to the distributor? I'm looking at doing speaker cables for the mid/tweeter.
Here is one. I bought from them multiple times
There are multiple ebay sellers as well. just search on the key words you quoted.
There are numerous build discussions on DIY forums.
Thanks for sharing your experience for my digestion, Satie .
I had a second hearing test with the ENT Doc this time ($140), and was hoping to resolve why I can hear 20% better in the higher freq when I hold my nose and clear, equalising pressure (as on an aeroplane method).
Hearing test concluded somewhat greater hearing loss than is age related alone, in the upper freqs. I probably could have nearly aced the test accounting for age scale if I thought to clear my eustachian and inner ear pressure during part of the test . GRRRR
Having Lyme Disease messes up ones auto immune system and central nervous system and brain (neurological issues)in the diseases latter stages - And now it is even interfering with my music listening . GRRRR (lol)
- Specifically , my cable choices, I suspect.
So yeah, I'm a freak, not at all "Normal" - I have come to understand I do so like leading edge detail etc - A detail freak vs a tone freak which maybe a trade off I find acceptable and most enjoyable with such cable choices , as I have become older and symptoms of Lyme cause me to accommodate .
Although I lost 40% of my net worth '07 - '09 , I sold the farm and downsized , both at the bottom of the real estate markets - So it could have been worse , and music appreciation makes my world Wonder -
filed , as Satchmo sings ;')
I'm just doing my part as he that old sage and leader Mister Bush told me/us , "Go out and shop" ;')
-Thanks for listening ;')
I had hopes of having tubes put in to equalise the pressure, but that was not the ENTs conclusion
"I had a second hearing test with the ENT Doc this time ($140), and was hoping to resolve why I can hear 20% better in the higher freq when I hold my nose and clear, equalising pressure (as on an aeroplane method)."
What did he say it was due to? I've noticed a similar phenomenon -- it's very much like the restoration of high frequency hearing that I experience when I open the eustachian tubes on a flight, but less pronounced. Is it just that the barometric pressure has changed but hasn't equalized on its own?
Hey Josh,
She gave me a winding convoluted 4-5 minute theory , and asked if that made sense ... "Yeah, I guess" ? further then speaking of TMJ and operations, I interjected with , "No to surgery" !
She was really trying to be helpful , holding her nose as I showed her my procedure , and said she too can hear better doing so.
- Although I received an over the counter RX for Flownex(sp?) , two sprays per day and I can feel the eustachian tube drip/drain tickling the inner ear , so there is that in her opinion .
I think I'll get a second opinion as I don't believe I was fully understood.
Mine both are worse than she understood - The previous Hearing Test when they measure the movement of the drum by air pressure , I actually teared up in one eye from the discomfort and choking tickling at the bottom of that eustachian tube . Very weird endurance test to complete that ears test without wanting to swallow and clear the throat, which you should not do til the end of the test .
In any event, I may try a swimmers nose clip , picture this : Sits dow to do some meditative , immersive , concentrated listening , adjusts neon colored nose clip , and select play ;')
We're not doing any damage doing so, even repetitively nose hold and blow to clear the hearing procedure . I've asked several doctors now .
So, in answer for you , perhaps something to do with allergies .
I asked if the "Flonase" would help, and I was told, "It might".
Hope this helps .
-Will
Thanks, Will. I suspect you're right -- I do have allergies. And when I open my eustachian tubes it seems like they're draining since I hear a click and end up with goo in my throat. In fact I just did it and the air cleaner got louder . . .
You might find this interesting
http://www.townsendletter.com/July2016/silver0716.html
I use NP silver for infection control and to relieve infections like boils, pneumonia and flu in myself, my wife and our dogs. Very effective, minimal side effects. It is a broad spectrum ant microbial with strong activity against viruses, fungal and bacterial infections. It is also used for acute sepsis (not common today, but was used for that in the WW I period). It also has anti inflammatory activity.
The "great recession" led many of us to make bad decisions as we tend to "follow the crowd" rather than evaluate economic conditions on our own.
Your hearing of transient events ("detail") is not affected by aging and other hearing damage as much as your high frequency hearing. It is often retained to 80% of a young healthy person's hearing acuity. That is because it does not rely on the ability of cilia to go into resonance in order to create the pitch signal. Instead it responds to the change in pressure along the line of cilia as it travels through, and it produces a time signal rather than a frequency signal. This mechanism is the main localization mechanism of your brain and ear, not you pitch hearing. So as you age, the importance of transients in the music grows relative to high frequency extension.
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