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In Reply to: RE: caveat added posted by Utley1 on January 04, 2017 at 15:02:43
I am leaning toward the rogue atlas amp with the Rp1 pre amp hoping that will free up some power over the Cronus.If the bass seems weak I will consider adding a sub.I need some recommendations on decent cables for the speakers that won't break the bank.I was looking at some sota turntables the comet is in my price range anyone have any experience with these?
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The Rogue Atlas is likely a better match. Both the RP-1 and the Atlas are highly regarded. As Utley said, there are far more choices in SS and tubes at this price point and they do tend to sound more similar. So if SS has an attraction for you then do look at alternatives in that direction. You might also want to check out a pro audio class D amp that can deliver near 1kw at 4 ohms to get a sense of what output the speaker can produce and how much of it you need. The Crown XTi series is powerful and performs well with an inoffensive tonal balance. . Once you established your listening habits with this speaker then go on to get a permanent amp that fits your bill.
If you are already familiar with the Rogue amps then just go and get it.
Thanks guys for your advise.The rogue setup is closer to $ 4,000 with the 100 watt Atlas and the Rp1 .It just has more imputs ,better phono stage and obviously the pre amp has its own power supply,As the Cronus has to share its power supply with the built in pre amp.I could get the rogue m-180 mono blocks 180 wpc with Rp1 for less than 7,000 but was hoping to keep the cost below that for powering the speakers.
That is why I was suggesting finding out how much power you need using a relatively cheap amp with decent resale market value... The Crown XTI amp idea accompanied with an SPL meter with fast peak hold response will tell you what your power requirement actually is. 1kw into 4 ohms for well under $1k.
Maybe I am going at this the wrong way? should i be looking at the 3.7 for this room? Would the Atlas and rp1 still work or would I need more power?
3.7s will need an arc welder for an amp. Few people would be happy with a lower power amp, 3.7s and a large room.
This is a question of your listening habits and the size and particulars of your room.
The room is not too large for a 1.7 but it might be a bit bass light and need subs. It is a perfect size for a 3.7 or a 20.7 - again depends on your listening preferences.
Whichever speaker model you end up with you need to find out how you listen to it. Which is why I still harp on the amp. It would be a waste if you end up buying an Atlas on Saturday and find out the sound is lovely but too anemic for your tastes in that room. On the other hand if you got a rogue M180 and found it to be more powerful than you need, then you chucked out $3k extra for something you don't need. Last, perhaps you are a secret bass blaster at heart and need a kilowatter to scratch your itch.
The highest satisfaction is expressed by folks driving their 1.7 and more so a 3.7 by something like a Sunfire 600, a Sanders Magtech amp, gigantic tube amps like the old Rogue Apollo and Bryston 7B. On the cheap end, D Sonic and pro audio amps like the XLS 2500 and for a bit more the XTI 2002, on the other hand some will power them with 20 W triodes and be happy with the quiet listening they get.
Agree; that room begs for raw, light dimming power. Another reason I'd personally opt for a 20.1 since they can be bi-amped. My Quick Q4s put out 120 watts into four ohms -which would be fine at moderate levels late at night; but daytime, night club level listening levels the bottom end would gobble most of the juice. And I'm not just talking about popular or dance music either, the acoustic bass solo on Brubeck's 'Trio Brubeck' is a thing of marvel and will drain the power reserves on even the mightiest tube amps. Fortunately I have high current 1K watt mono Emotivas on the bottom to stoke the coals.Now having said that I wouldn't just limit my choices to Magnepans (as spectacular as they are), I'd also consider the big cat Martin Logans, or Soundlabs. And for the same price as a new 20.7 you can get a essentially 'new' Duetta (with warranty), others to consider- Analysis audio, and Sanders.
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I know a few of you have mentioned the Martin Logan's .I guess this is what you call a Hybrid with powered sub below.,will these produce the same quality sound as the Maggie's? I assume these would be easier to drive beings they have a powered sub on the bottom? I watched a YouTube video with the Martin Logan's Montis El with the Prima Luna HP man does that sound good ! Well it's YouTube so maybe sound is deceiving. Is the Prima Luna good stuff.Here is the link http://youtu.be/s-rtyg1qvb0
the prima luna design and build are top notch and the reputation is stellar. The price tag not that bad considering what you are getting.
The hybrid idea is great, but difficult to execute. I have my personal nits to pick with the ML hybrids, but I would not hesitate to recommend them for someone who wants stat clarity without losing out on a decently well integrated dynamic bass. They are a greater value with the powered woofer sections.
I prefer the old idea of a CLS with bass woofer towers or Tympani bass panels or H frame open baffle, because it is a tall planar speaker and has less floor interactions than the raised and slanted ESL panels on the ML hybrids. Besides which you don't want the bass to be shaking your mids and treble sections. thus the separate ESL and dynamic bass can provide better imaging than the hybrids.
Satie has it right. There is no way for me to recommend low power amps with Maggies unless you tell me you listen to chamber music at low volumes. Maggies offer a lot of value for the money but the money you save goes back into big amplifiers. My brother smoked a pair of the giant Parasound JC1s and a Maggie 3.6s. The 3.7 can just laugh at 180WPC if you ask them for too much. If you really want to run tube gear, you might want to look at a different loudspeaker or get some bucks together for a real house warming amp. They make stuff like this for a reason:
Arc Welder. :0) The next option I was thinking of was the rogue m-180 mono blocks if the the atlas wouldn't cut it.
Here is my experience with the 3.7i, Where I was able to hear high price ARC tube amps . And $18,000 Canadian solid state. At these prices amps performed similarly,-slight preference for ARC . You must compare a modest price solid state mono blocks with the ATlas. (I never heard the ATLAS WITH ANY MAGGIES) I am sure the ATlas is a great amp $7000 I would guess? You might get a better over all sound with solid state at a lower p;rice. Trust your ears before you put down big bucks. The Asylum is the most knowledgeable place around so read up. Please let us know how you make out. If I were spending that kind of money I would go with the 3.7i and then figure it out.
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