Welcome! Need support, you got it. Or share your ideas and experiences.
In Reply to: RE: Sound coming from outside of the soundstage posted by magiccarpetride on March 16, 2012 at 11:20:09
An example with a box speaker. "Hell Freezes Over" CD, The Eagles.
The rendition of Hotel California, in concert, has many charms in my system. I use its first minute or so as part of my core test music.
Among these charms, the audience extends outside the walls behind the MMGs but some of their applause and some of the whistling hails from above and behind me at the sitting position.
At a friend's, his B&W 802D speakers do pretty much the same. While the audience behind the speakers is not as deep, from behind and above me I hear a similar surround effect in stereo.
OTOH, what the 802Ds cannot replicate there is the soundstage depth and layering that I get between the MMGs and their behind-the-wall far end, as I get at home. Within this soundstage at home, each player and instrument has a 3D position and none of it comes from the MMGs or anything in between them.
Another example I just remembered is the Telarc SACD Sampler 3 disk. In the stereo layer, the first track is rich in spatial effects and it starts with sound that comes from the back as well as, later, sound from the sides, close to the sitting position. Both the MMGs and 802D display them, each with their own personalities.
I wish the 802D were not so heavy becasue I'd be curious to see how much of my room config makes for the great imaging I get. These B&W, for being boxes, do very good imaging despite their current placement restrictions in my friend's family room.
Edits: 03/16/12Follow Ups:
Do you have tweeters in ... or out?
Hi Andy! Tweeters in.
alas, I don't hear " some of the applause & whistling coming from above & behind me "!! :-((
So I thought mebbe that was an artefact of you having your tweeters out?
Is this the same disc?
There are other recordings of the song that do not display similar sonics.
You had me worried for a sec. The effects come through even in good box speakers. Maggies make it better still.
I am going to bed early, only 1am, not my usual 3am but I have Maggies work to do tomorrow and it starts at a friend's at 7am. We are cutting the new wood.
I just played that song - I get just past the outer edge of my speakers - not much more. Though one of my favorites is the first battle scene in Master and Commander. The shot below decks with the gun crews, you can hear the sailors on the weatherdecks running about. Sounds like it's coming from the upstairs apartment.
"Though one of my favorites is the first battle scene in Master and Commander."
I love it while watching the movie here, also! However, I have not tried in stereo, only in surround (which I don't use for music).
I did tell you that at least one of Peter Gabriel's pieces does that here also, didn't I? It builds a dome of sound that spans from behind the MMGs, over the side walls to their outsides and all the way to well behind my sofa. One hears the soundfield and one also gets specific items hailing from around and from above...in stereo.
Which one? I have a center for movies btw.
LOL! PE, I discarded the center speaker long ago because I don't need it.
This is edited from the post where I mentioned it earlier [adding context clarification in brackets]:
One of the examples was Peter Gabriels's UP in SACD Stereo. A friend once challenged that I HAD to be using the multi-channel layer (which I never use). No way could stereo do this, he said. I won a case of beer.
...The effect on "Growing Up"... This piece is one I used many times. It creates a sound bubble of surrond sound that includes the ceiling. Awesome; and I did not use the subwoofer which [if I do] adds even more resonance "air". [at the expense of other things that I like without it]
I then added that the CD layer of the SACD recreates much of this effect. In other words, SACD format is not the determining factor for this to happen. It is the way the recording is made. Ergo, if you have the CD, you may be able to hear this.
Yeah, I imagine now that I have a proper setup, I can get by just fine without mine. Might even be better without it. Whether by accident of design (unlikely) or accident of rookie ears (likely), it works seamlessly with the Maggies. Wouldn't be hard to turn it off on the receiver though and test the differences. In fact, I wonder if it'll give a better psychological center since the channel wouldn't be a point source from the bottom of the TV. OTOH, the center of my image shifts left when I move left and shifts right for when I move right, so the center might be best for those off-axis.
I have *a* "Growing Up" track on disc one of Gabriel's "Hit and Miss" collection. It doesn't exceed beyond the soundstage. It's almost certainly a different mix (in fact, it says "Tom Lord-Alge Mix"), but I think we've already establish your room/ears have a better sense of the surround. I'm probably going to move within a few months. Going to rent a house. Priority #1: decent living room dimensions.
Post a Followup:
Post a Message!
This post is made possible by the generous support of people like you and our sponsors: