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In Reply to: RE: Some Thoughts posted by Peter Gunn on January 12, 2009 at 07:51:12
Has anyone considered WHY they chose 1000 watt amps for the demonstration? How much quality current will these speakers need would be a question that comes to mind. I know Maggies love current and can handle a substantial amount, but this seems a mismatch for small planars.
I think they could have been more forthcoming with details and pictures. Rather than generating excitement, for me, I am just irritated after all the hype and no pictures or details.
They could have done better if you ask me (of course no one has) and FYI, I was a Marketing Product Manager for a major national firm, so I am not unaccustomed to new product roll outs.
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I can say with 100% certainty that maggies are not like other speakers and that there is no "limit" to consumption. If it is good quality power they will simply keep taking it and they will use it for low level micro resolution. This goes for any of them, from MMG's to 20's. They will take and use all the power you give them.
The point Travis makes below and you hint at is possible. I am surprised that if these things are "all that" they are not making as much PR hay as they can, especially at a trade show. You would think there'd be so many pics out there it would be turning our stomachs already. The fact that it's still such a big damn secret implies this won't see the market any time soon.... if ever. It violates their company mantra of bigger is better, so they may very well decide they are best served not even making it.
It's all about the music...
I sink 1000 Watts into MMG's regularly...
Wendell understands psychology .
The way a speaker looks affects the way we perceive it will sound. That translates directly into the way we will perceive the sound it makes (at least in the short term). Perhaps Magnepan just wants to keep the secret until after their CES debut can create some buzz (and press). After an impression which is uninfluenced by the knowledge of what they look like has been formed, they reveal them. Look for a flood of photos and more information any day now.
Who knows? I'm just throwing another perspective out there. We're all just speculating after all, aren't we?
As another inmate mentioned, a 300Hz crossover point is a bit on the high side. With that in mind, I have a question. Is this speaker system comprised of a pair of satellites with a single sub? A 60Hz tone can issue from anywhere in a room without calling attention to its point of origin; 300Hz is a different matter altogether.
"Jazz is not dead - it just smells funny" FZ
I certainly hope that these will see the light of day, if only for my greedy ears to hear them. Ok, so I wish the company luck also, and believe that something like this could be very good for them, and hi-fi in general.
I'd venture to guess that the Mini Mags weren't really ready to be shown off in the first place, and that it'll be awhile before they come to market. I am keeping both fingers and toes crossed that they will. Both us and them need it to happen.
I can't help but think to myself that old saying, "if it's too good to be true..." But there's quite a few people saying the same things about them.
And no, I'm sure I won't rush off and sell my 3 series, because I still have quite a ways to go to make them all they can be, and have fun in the process- I just want to hear them and see them take off!
Cory
Not to put too fine a point on it, but this all reads like testing the waters. I don't believe they rolled out a new product. If so, what was it?
"If people don't want to come, nothing will stop them" - Sol Hurok
Point well made & taken. Plenty of "concept cars" never make it to dealers' car lots.
Also, a bit reminiscent of the mini-computer companies that feared micro-computers might cannibalize sales. The companies that tip-toed sold very few PC's and lost their mini-computer business as well. Those that sold PC's aggressively lived to fight another day even though profits and sales took near-term hits.
Did you hear that?
It was a "hidden demo" behind a curtain and they wanted us to THINK they had (perhaps) a huge new speaker there because all we could see were the amps in front of the drape! It worked on me. I thought for sure it WAS a behemoth back there and when the lights went on, I nearly fell from my chair!
The soundstage was massive, with HEIGHT and DEPTH clearly beyond the boundry of the loudspeakers. I saw someone write in this thread something to the effect that "those little things could not have sounded as big or good as the ribbon 20.1's". Make no mistake about it, it would be CLOSE. They played waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay larger then they had any right to.
Regards,
Joel
Obviously next on anyone's agenda should be A/B/X "shootouts" involving the rest of their line with the new wunderkind.
Because ABX is how it would need to be done. Magnepan was GENIUS by not letting anyone see the min-mags in the demo. Perceptions were not able to be formed....
There is no doubt these were better then my 1.6's and I have spent time with the 3.6's and they sounded more in line with those. BUT---to hear about the guy with 20.1's who said "mine don't sound as good as these" really says something!
I really wish I could have heard them side by side with, say, the 3.6's. Would have been very interesting. Wendell did admit the obvious however---these small things won't play as loud as the 3.6's without straining and these mini-maggies are best suited for small to medium sized rooms. I pointed out to him, however, that his mystery demo room was ANYTHING but small to medium----it was HUGE. And it filled the entire room with sound, no problem. He smiled.
Regards,
Joel
That is exactly right, joeljoel hit it on the head. The Brystons were there to throw off the scent trail. I understand the scepticism, but I heard them (twice). You won't believe it. They mentioned seperating the ribbons and crossing over at 300 leaves the meat of the work to the base module. I am a believer!
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