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I don't have Apple TV, so I'm reading the book.
It's familiar ground for me, the bombing campaign was my gateway drug into the history of the second world war.
Still, there were somethings I didn't know, for example, Clark Gable was a gunner in a B-17, flew on some of the toughest missions, and had to be ordered not to fly them anymore. Tom Landry (yeah, that Tom Landry) was a B-17 co-pilot who flew missions against synthetic oil refineries during the summer of 1944 (they were tough missions).
Oh, and if you've ever seen 12 O'Clock High, there really was a "Piccadilly Lily."
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Quite well done. Tho special effects intensive during their bombing missions, it all seems pretty realistic and frightening as Hell up in the planes flying thru flak or getting raked over by Messerschmitt 109s. Doesn't get too soapy on the ground either (so far at least).
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He kept his ptsd to himself for the remainder of his days, but I found two medals in the basement in an old cigar box full of misc crap — the Air Medal and a Purple Heart.
My uncles later backfilled some of his horror stories. I think he would have liked this tv series.
Six weeks in saw all it has to offer us for the foreseeable future.
Disappointed/disappointing.
MOA preview looked fluffy yet stale like too many other contemporary WWII series have been.
Methinks you're probably way better off reading about it. Enjoy the book!!
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
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I had AppleTV+ FREE for 6-months when I signed up with my cellphone service. That expired but I might just subscribe at $9.99/mo.There are ways to get AppleTV+ FREE for 3-months with the purchase of certain Apple products. The cheapest qualifying Apple product is probably the little black AppleTV box for $129 - $149. However, many recent TV's have the AppleTV App built-in so no external box is needed on those TV's. Other devices including Amazon's Fire TV Stick can receive AppleTV+ after downloading the App to the Fire TV Stick. See more compatible devices below.
You can also sign-up for a 7-day FREE trial (no Apple product purchase necessary) and binge watch all the earlier episodes. Keep the subscription for $9.99/mo then cancel after the series ends. You don't need an AppleTV device - just watch it on your computer or other device that you might already own.
Various devices support AppleTV+ Streaming :
It's a little confusing for those who may not be familiar. AppleTV+ is the streaming service while AppleTV is the little box (now called AppleTV 4K but compatible with non-4K TV's).
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Maybe if we get a string of really bad weather, I'll sign up and binge watch the series.
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And don't forget Jimmy Stewart.My dad told me Jimmy acted nervous as a cat when he flew with Jimmy in a B29 during the war. No, Jimmy was just on a celebrity flight. Not as a real crew member.
Also, have you seen "Into The Cold Blue"?
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They were notoriously hard to fly. Stewart said his war experience aged him and he had a tough time getting parts in movies immediately after the war as a result.
I've not seen Into the Cold Blue . The Hollywood movie about the Memphis Belle was pure bullshit, of course.
Somewhere, there's a picture of me sitting in the pilot's seat of a B-17, taken at the EAA air show in 1982. My son and I toured a B-17G that was at Allegheny County Airport, back in the 1990s.
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Fear of having a tough time getting acting roles after the war was why John Wayne was a four time draft dodger. Although you would never think so from the tough guy, patriotism worn on the sleeve, image, he liked to throw around . Every time he was declared 1A for the draft, he had a studio pull strings to get him out of serving .
My dad said pilots were selected by temperament, thoughtful guys got bombers, snap decision guys got fighter planes.
One of the few things my dad told of the war was how his co pilot complained for the longest time about how he signed up to fly fighter planes and wound up second chair on a flying bus. eventually he came to appreciate the B24.
like the guy above, I first found out about any flying medals when I discovered them in an old box in the garage, , because my mother kept them. I suspect the larger medal was because he piloted the B24 that twice went in , unaccompanied, on a sneak mission to drop warning leaflets on the Japanese target locations before the atomic bomb drops.
they came in to Japan from Alaska, which was outside of the known to the enemy B 24 range, with the unexpected attack direction designed to add additional confusion to the enemy. To make the distance almost the entire plane was turned into a gas can .
Any sane man would not have enjoyed flying into heavily defend airspace during a war, with bomb racks full of nothing but vapors and empty fuel tanks.. but the only thing my dad mentioned that made him tense was the danger of sparks when they had to use hand pumps to transfer fuel into the main tanks And he only mentioned that once, when we were standing inside of a B 24 the collins foundation use to tour around the country, until they crashed the B17 that was also part of the tour.
The senator and one time presidential candidate flew the notoriously hard to handle B-24 bomber on thirty five missions. Stephen Ambrose wrote "The Wild Blue" about his experiences during WW2 and it's a wonder that he was not known for his service. He lived through bombing raids and a near crash of a crippled airplane. Bragging about that just wasn't in the DNA of a minister's son.
And would have voted for McGovern if I had been old enough.
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You probably figured out I meant "The Cold Blue".
Definitely watching it. Twas one of the reasons I bought an Apple TV device. By the way you can get 3 months of Apple TV free with the purchase of any Apple device provided you've never taken the offer before. Once in a lifetime offer as I read it. I'll be keeping the subscription after the 3 months free just for the Atmos surround music and Atmos movies available. Prime had all 3 seasons of 12 O'Clock high until a month ago or so. That was my favorite TV show back in the day. I've also got the movie on DVD.
Especially the beginning when Dean Jagger visits the old bomber base. I get goose bumps during that scene.
Beirne Lay Jr. based the book on real-life Air Force general Frank Armstrong.
Lay's own B-17 was the real life Piccadilly Lily .
It's interesting that the technology for massed bombing raids didn't exist until the mid-1930s but was already obsolescent before the war ended.
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I'd have to say that Masters Of The Air portrays the terror those men had to face better than any movie or show I've seen before. Hard to imagine going up day after day knowing the odds of you dying were so high.
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@ghost,
I was raised by a maternal aunt whose 2nd husband was a top turret gunner on a B-17. Seventeen missions and shot down once, over Belgium, picked up by the resistance and crashed once, Fearsfield (sic?), ended up with lower leg injuries.
His only comment about his air time was "you really haven't lived until you have seen a ME-262 coming at you."
...when I was a steelworker, he flew bombing missions in the second world war, over Germany. He was a mess.
No physical injuries but mentally, he was destroyed. Every shift, eventually he would start to rant about how everybody else died but he lived and "why, why? It's ugly!"
Several times per shift.
About the worse thing I've ever had to face was bad traffic. And an abusive ex-GF.
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just watched the latest epi this morning. My dad was a tail gunner on a Mitchell, I've probably mentioned that before. Enlisted at age 17. Needed his mom's permission. That must have been a hard one for her to sign. Good thing she didn't have Apple TV to watch back then or she might not have.
One of my uncles was ground crew in England during the war, but he never talked about it.
More guys were killed bombing Germany than the entire KIA for the US Marines in the second world war.
Recommended reading is Martin Caidin's Black Thursday about the second Schweinfurt raid in October of 1943.
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The bombing of Germany killed more women and children than men.
The men were mostly at the fronts so more women and children left in the cities...
His father served in the Wehrmacht on the Eastern Front. The unit he served surrender to the Soviets on VE Day. Of all the men in his company at the start of the war, he was the only one who survived till the end.
I'm a pacifist. Studying history made me that way. But when countries do go to war, they can't pull punches if they want to win, and everybody who serves the economy of the enemy is essentially a combatant.
The real tragedy of the second world war strategic bombing campaign is that it didn't shorten the war, at least not by destroying Germany's vital production facilities. It still had to be won by armies on the ground. The lives of Allied airmen and the lives of the civilians in the cities they bombed, those folks died pretty much for nothing. The war in Europe wasn't going to end until Hitler was dead. It didn't matter how many cities were reduced to rubble.
By 1944, the USAAF bomber mafia had pretty much abandoned the idea of precision bombing ball-bearing factories and aircraft plants, and attacked those targets as a way to fight a war of attrition against the Luftwaffe.
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Yes, precision bombing was a fantasy.
And the brits were just out for revenge for the blitz.
What is somewhat baffling is - for the early part of the cold war - Lemay's SAC had the same idea for "precision" atomic bombing (in other words, attacks focusing on military facilities only).
At least until we learned the Russkies had more atomics than we could possibly stop if they - or we - did a first strike.
Then the switch to MAD happened within a few short years.
Nobody wanted a repeat of the first world war, with one entire front turning into a fortified position.
The idea that vast air fleets could strike the enemy's soft targets by flying over the battlefront was seductive to military thinkers on all sides.
LeMay was an odd duck. He wasn't one of the bomber mafia who believed that knocking out a ball bearing factory could end the way. He was perfectly happy with fire bombing Japanese cities.
In the end, he was too much even for George Wallace.
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