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In Reply to: RE: Not when you consider... posted by tweaker456 on May 22, 2023 at 14:57:00
"You can use logical fallacies..."
Hmmm.
"All that money the government spends to help feed and house people, to provide for the aged, to provide for defense, to defeat Tojo and Hitler, to do medical research......"
Cherry picking is a logical fallacy, but you knew that.
From Wikipedia: "Cherry picking, suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position while ignoring a significant portion of related and similar cases or data that may contradict that position."
"All thoughts are prey to some beast" - Bill Callahan
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Krav,please explain what you mean by me cherry picking in general and specifically in this situation and how it rises to the level of a logical fallacy in relation to my argument that much of Federal spending is spent with thought and used for a good purpose. Thanks in advance. Tweaker456
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You stated: "All that money the government spends to help feed and house people, to provide for the aged, to provide for defense, to defeat Tojo and Hitler, to do medical research...... Total waste of money without any thought what so ever."
In the context of 'irresponsible spending' as stated by pictureguy, you are cherry picking by only presenting the "positives" (what I imagine you would call responsible spending) while not acknowledging the negatives of government spending, the 'irresponsible spending'.
Just a few examples of government 'irresponsible spending':
From The Nation article "The Pentagon's Irresponsible Spending Is Now Dangerous":"Pentagon waste is a long-standing issue in desperate need of meaningful action. Last November, the Department of Defense once again failed to pass even a basic audit, as it had several times before. In fact, independent auditors weren't even able to assess the Pentagon's full financial picture because they couldn't gather all the necessary information to complete an evaluation. In some ways, that should have been devastating, the equivalent of a child receiving an incomplete on an end-of-year report card. No less alarming, the Pentagon couldn't even account for about 61% of its $3.5 trillion in assets. Yet the last Congress still approved $858 billion in defense programs for fiscal year 2023, a full $45 billion more than even the Biden administration requested.
Spending levels aside, poor financial management has a serious negative impact on both service members and taxpayers. Last month, for example, the Government Accountability Office (GAO) revealed that the Pentagon can't account for at least $220 billion worth of its property, including such basics as ammunition, missiles, torpedoes, and their component parts. For its part, Congress (and so the average taxpayer) doesn't have the faintest idea how much it's spent on weapons or their components distributed to contractors for maintenance and upgrades. Worse, the GAO reports that the $220 billion in unaccounted-for equipment and parts is "likely significantly understated." "
From the CNBC article "The federal government wastes at least $247 billion in taxpayer money each year. Here's how":
( https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/18/heres-how-the-federal-government-wastes-tax-money.html )"The U.S. government wastes billions of taxpayer dollars every year.
Improper payments, which refer to payments that are made incorrectly by the government, cost the U.S. $247 billion in 2022, according to the Government Accountability Office. The U.S. government has lost almost $2.4 trillion in simple payment errors over the last two decades, by GAO estimates."
We are all capable of making logical fallacies. Recognizing them makes us better thinkers, does it not?
"All thoughts are prey to some beast" - Bill Callahan
Edits: 05/24/23
Krav?
I live in California. We have a 'high speed rail authority' which is in process of spending untold billions on a project originally pegged at just a 'few' billion. Cost is now up to 120+ billion and is about 100 billion 'short' of funding.
Costs continue to rise and prospective ridershsip Fall......I'm making the cost NOW at about 3000$ per person for every man, woman and child in the state of about 40 Million persons....
I'd LOVE to get a go-fund-me page together and HIRE a forensic accounting firm to dig thru the books of that operation.....
But I'll bet I'd be met by armed guards at the door, preventing any 'unauthorized' access followed by some reference to the public accounting......which I don't necessarily believe.....
Too much is never enough
I wish we could safely talk about the issue, without any name calling whatsoever.
this is overall a pretty bright group with diverse backgrounds. Some here I know do not participate for whatever reason. But that input would be valued, too....
I wish I knew how to not use examples to prove or support a position or case. If I do, I could be guilty of cherry picking. But a complete run down of tax law and returns? sleep inducing.
Too much is never enough
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