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In Reply to: RE: Rather than explain it to you myself posted by Batman on September 10, 2021 at 14:43:08
I think there are too many big words there for some of the Trump people on this board - they need to one syllable Trump version (who by the way got the vaccine). So you'd think his mindless followers would get vaccinated but they're afraid of needles - to be fair a good 30% of the population are afraid to get a needle (Trypanophobia). So perhaps many of them suffering from this phobia need to latch onto the conspiracy nonsense because they're terrified of needles.
As for the masks - well as you point out the virus largely travels on water molecules.
If you wear a mask and someone sneezes into your face there is a chance that some of their sneezes will get to your mouth and nose and will pass into your system - although it will still block out most of their slime. If both of you are wearing the mask - very VERY little will get into your system and probably none.
There are tons of videos that show all of this in real-time if one cares enough to look around.
It also explains why here in Hong Kong - there are 2 new cases only (imported ones at that) in a population of 7.5 million people. In fact, we are right next to mainland China where it all began and we have had a total of 212 people die from this virus since February 2020. 100% of the population here wore masks. Inside outside at the beach at the gym. As a result, there was no lockdown here - for periods restaurants went to take out only but my friends and I have enjoyed several buffets over the summer.
And only 53% of the population has had both vaccines. And the reason that number is so low is people here wear masks and the death rate is so low that the motivation has not been there to get the vaccine.
Asia though has always been more of a mask-wearing culture. When someone has a cold here - they are polite people who care about other people (unlike a certain segment of Americans (ahem R)). They wear a mask to no spread their germs to other people because it's a very densely packed city and people are bumping into others on the trains everyone touching the handles and escalator hand rails. So they don't want to spread their germs to others (and that was before Covid-19!
I usually get a cold at the same time every year and not so with wearing these masks - hell when Covid-19 is over I would be fine to keep wearing them.
The whole issue is idiotic - the masks are CHEAP. There is zero negative impact - they block out colds and flu and some other particulates on top that are harmful.
Whenever these kinds of things come up just look at the risk-reward proposition.
You make a 4 square. Wearing a mask costs you pennies. So the risk is that you spend pennies a day on a mask and it turns out the mask is ineffective - so like a lottery ticket you spent the money and didn't win - it was a waste of time. So the only risk you are taking is cost.
OTOH if you are wrong and the masks work even if only 20% not 95% then you are paying pennies to get some lowering of risk of dying.
So let's say you pay pennies for a mask and you wear the mask and you die - well you're dead you won't miss the pennies anymore or any of your bank account because you're dead. The Reward is that the pennies might save your life.
I mean it's just basic common sense.
This high school teacher nailed it on Climate Change - and that is a far bigger expense - but make the same analysis for masks.
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right, and this brings into focus the issue of "viral load".
It turns out that whether you get infected, and how severe the infection is, has a lot to do with how many virii you are actually hit with in a short period of time.
In infection disease parlance, this is termed "viral load".
Your immunie system is reasonably competent. Only when it is _overwhelmed_ by an infectious agent do you get syptoms.
So by blocking most of the viral load of an exposure event, the immune system has a much better chance of fighting off an infection, or at least signficantly reducing or completely preventing sysmptoms, severity, and duration.
I had a good friend who was one of the top infectious disease MDs in CA. (passed away a few years ago from ovarian cancer).
. I judge any sound system by how tiring it is to listen to.
Linkwitz
Hong Kong had rather unpleasant memories of Sars outbreak so they implemented all the precaution policies early on , testing, border controls school closures, and quarantines at the times when Fauci and Surgeon General were saying:
"....And stay safe by washing your hands, by covering your cough, by staying home if you're sick. Masks do not work for the general public and preventing them from getting coronavirus,"
And Biden decried Trumps travel restrictions as "hysterical xenophobia"
Weren't you on that board too at that time Richard? I know you were because
you were thundering here all the time about those Trump idiots.
And they later changed their stance because the "science advanced" .Ha Ha , science advanced! Corona viruses are studied for decades and Fauci was funding Wuhan Gain of function research on those viruses. They know everything about the way it spreads for several years now.
AS for the folks who care about fellow citizens, nobody except East and West coast is earning a living wage in US. Forget the unity!
Trump's own stupid words: Look at the date in the top right corner.Don't be an idiot.
Edits: 09/10/21
I cant watch Trump for more than 10 sec. All I credit him for is that he knew the US is tanking and something has to be done.
At that time there were no vaccines, no hospital beds and no masks so what he supposed to say to his fellow Americans convinced they are a pinnacle of the world? And sorry, 280 millions of insubordinate rednecks is not a 7 million of Asians used to deal with outbreaks of viruses.
he has profoundly contributed (and is contributing) to said ongoing "tanking".
Mark in NC
"The thought that life could be better is woven indelibly into our hearts and our brains" -Paul Simon
Well, what he should have been saying is the virus is real and not a democratic hoax. What should have been saying is this virus (whether it was released by a mishap at the Wuhan plant, whether it was on purpose or whether it was from a Bat) - it is a serious problem because unlike the flu which has a vaccine this virus does not.And with the normal flu, we take the vaccine because it lowers our chance of dying from it and it lessens the severity of the flu should you get it. Covid-19 is considerably more deadly - and we have no vaccine.
We also do not have enough masks in the United States at the current time. So we need to keep the current stockpile of masks that we do have for front line workers (Doctors and Nurses).
You know - deal with the American public honestly - what a concept.
Until we can procure the masks needed for a mass rollout to the US population we ask all of you to limit your exposure to other people and stay as far away from others as you can. Effective immediately, all schools nationwide are hereby closed as are all sporting events and all movie theatres and restaurants and bars for the next 30 days.
If Trump said that his redneck followers would have believed him 110%. Because he died hundreds of thousands of people needlessly died - and that is largely on him.
If Fauci had said the exact same thing (both of them in lockstep) then the liberal left would have also believed it. With Trump lying to the public over 5000 times in office) it would have required a real scientist - one who worked in both administrations especially under Obama for lefties to be on board.
But no - both downplayed it. Fauci and other scientists downplayed it to make sure first responders had masks and to try to stop a panic but panic ensued anyway and all the masks and toilet paper left the shelves faster than Afghani soldiers left their posts.
And before you say that is just Trump bashing - remember he has a track record of only caring about himself and his profits. Remember when he banned Muslims - he only banned Muslim countries that do not have a Trump hotel - ie all the Muslims from all Trump hotel countries were never banned including Saudi Arabia who was responsible for 9/11 (I know it's hard for Trump supporters to get this but the man never banned Muslims from Saudi F-ing Arabia!) Not one Trump lover has been able to come back to me on it - not the dozens of times I mentioned it here on Facebook or by media. Ban those evil Muslims from coming to the US of A but bah not the ones who were responsible for 9/11 - oh because they give money to Trump. That doesn't bother a single Trump person on this board - not one! How?
Or when Trump says companies should not do business in China and they should hire Americans on American soil (America first) yet he had his clothing company (and his daughter's clothing company) making clothes in China before, during, and after his presidency - it is the hypocrisy above all else that is why I loathe him and the dimwits who give him a pass on EVERY horrible thing the guy has done. I call out democrat presidents and I have called out people I voted for in Canada when they do some assanine BS.
Biden was nowhere near my first choice of Democrats to run and neither was HRC. But the dumbass US system gives you basically two choices and the DNC fixes it to get their corporate-owned puppet firmly in place.
So then it comes down to things that are about personal freedom - the Democrats are for it and the Republicans are absolutely not. To me domestic policy trumps foreign policy. I am Pro-Choice and freedom over your own body and if you want 2 wives why the F do I care?
Personal freedom to me trumps all so long as everyone is the age of consent and you are not hurting anyone then you should be FREE to control your own body. Same for smoking a plant that grows naturally on the planet earth - the God believers should hold the belief that God made Marijuana - he bloody well put the plant on earth for the joy of his children (us humans) to enjoy. Smoke up and relax.
Thus, in the US - when it comes to more personal freedom there is only ONE party and that is the democratic party. America is designed to be a secular country without the idiocy of the church ruling it. Democrats are the ONNL party that believes the country should be run without a fascistic religious doctrine to rule over the nation - again history shows that when religion is in charge of anything disaster and body counts increase.
Perhaps because one of my degrees had a heavy focus on Nazi Germany - when I listen to Trump alarm bells were going off - and perhaps because as you say you can't watch Trump for more than 10 sec you did not get enough time being able to draw the clear an obvious parallels and because his supporters tend to mostly come from the uneducated segment of society (Trump did say he loved the uneducated after all) none of them would know any history either. Most of the side with the confederate army and are pro slavery. So I mean - when you are on the side of the racists and the morons in a society you really should take a step back and say - gee I am in agreement with a bunch of inbred hapless morons so perhaps I should make a T-Chart as to where I have gone wrong here.
Spend 6 minutes and watch this fellow - he is a police officer trainer and war vet and yes a southern liberal - and he was asked to do a show about Trump's accomplishments
Edits: 09/11/21
'so what he supposed to say'
'he' supposed to use correct grammatical syntax to be a good red troll
I see you now, dig it?
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