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RE: OK - yes I wear a mask when I'm out in public. . .

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In Reply to: RE: OK - yes I wear a mask when I'm out in public. . . posted by Chris from Lafayette on September 10, 2021 at 11:45:47

Smoke particles range from 0.1 to 1.0 micron, most commonly 0.2 and 0.25 micron.
Don't forget N-95 means it filters 0nly 95% of particles. Five percent may be enough to smell.
Smoke may be able to get through an N95 mask for several reasons.
1. Mask is old, they are designed for single use
2. Mask not fitted properly. In health care, before can use N95 the fit must be confirmed. Interestingly we use saccharine vapor. If one can smell sweet,the mask doesn't fit.
2a. Beard; masks don't seal properly over a beard.
Here's a little table of comparative sizes.

Edits: 09/10/21

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Don't forget N-95 means it filters 0nly 95% of particles. - emailtim 14:15:08 09/10/21 (25)
".. Don't forget N-95 means it filters 0nly 95% of particles. ..."
Your post is conveniently incomplete.
"N95" is a government efficiency rating that means the mask blocks about 95 percent of particles that are 0.3 microns in size or larger .
From you own graph, 0.3 microns and greater is larger than then entire virus category.
Think screen door in a submarine to keep the water out. Sooner or later you will grasp the concept of viral sizes.
Unfortunately, I still have to repeat this. Viruses are smaller than bacteria. Some bacteria fall into the N95 filtration range, viruses do not.
MAYBE YOU NEED TO LOOK AT YOUR OWN PICTURES ???

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- RE: Don't forget N-95 means it filters 0nly 95% of particles. - LtMandella 21:40:33 09/10/21 (1)
  WRONG AGAIN.
  
  THE VIRUS ARE TRANSMITTED IN GLOBS OF SPIT AND MUCOUS EXPELLED BY HUMANS WHEN BREATHING, SNEEZING, TALKING. Those globs are way big enough to be trapped by any reasonably effective mask.
  
  The transmission is not of virii that are free floating individual organisms.
  
  So far you are batting 100% nonsense. Amazing...
  
  . I judge any sound system by how tiring it is to listen to.
  Linkwitz
  - RE: Don't forget N-95 means it filters 0nly 95% of particles. - rivervalley817 22:07:50 09/10/21 (0)
    he's been told this multiple times with citations
    he's even been provided videos of mask testing
    over & over by numerous AA contributors that pull their pants up right
    but he keeps posting the same things
    who does that?
    shame on you for feeding the troll Loo
    
    Edits: 09/10/21
- Rather than explain it to you myself - Batman 14:43:08 09/10/21 (22)
  I'll let OSHA's FAQ do it for you.
  
  an N95 respirator is effective in protecting workers from the virus that causes COVID-19. "N95" refers to a class of respirator filter that removes at least 95% of very small (0.3 micron) particles from the air. Some people have mistakenly claimed that since the virus that causes COVID-19 is approximately 0.1 microns in size, wearing an N95 respirator will not protect against such a small virus. That mistaken claim appears to result from a misunderstanding of how respirators work.
  
  When an infected person expels the virus into the air by activities like talking, coughing, or sneezing, the airborne particles are composed of more than just the virus. The virus is part of larger particles that are made up of water and other materials such as mucus. These larger particles are easily trapped and filtered out by N95 respirators because they are too big to pass through the filter. This is called mechanical filtration. But mechanical filtration is just one of the ways that respirator filters keep particles from passing through the filter. An electrostatic charge also attracts particles to fibers in the filter, where the particles become stuck. In addition, the smallest particles constantly move around (called "Brownian motion"), and are very likely to hit a filter fiber and stick to it.
  
  The National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) tests respirators using particles that simulate a 0.3 micron diameter because this size particle is most likely to pass through the filter. If worn correctly, the N95 respirator will filter out at least 95% of particles this size. An N95 respirator is more effective at filtering particles that are smaller or larger than 0.3 microns in size.
  
  The N95 respirator filter, as is true for other NIOSH-approved respirators, is very effective at protecting people from the virus causing COVID-19. However, it is important for employers and workers to remember that the respirator only provides the expected protection when used correctly. Respirators, when required, must be used as part of a comprehensive, written respiratory protection program that meets the requirements of 29 CFR 1910.134 including requirements for medical evaluations, training, and fit testing. The Emergency Temporary Standard (ETS) for Healthcare also includes requirements for respiratory protection and a Mini Respiratory Protection Program. The Mini Respiratory Protection Program applies to specific circumstances specified under the ETS, generally when workers are not exposed to suspected or
  - We provide technical support to CDC/NIOSH/NPPTL. - G Squared 06:07:31 09/11/21 (0)
    This lab conducts the N95 and other respiratory PPE performance tests and certifies compliance of production to support workplace respiratory safety. Lots of interesting work even before COVID. Firefighters self contained breathing units and positive pressure units for high risk operations with chemicals and biologics are really interesting technologies and some of the testing is intense.
    
    They do not test or certify face barriers (the masks we wear to the grocery store). The standard for face barriers requires performance testing at an accredited lab and based on that and a reasonable quality management system the manufacturer declares conformity of their products.
    Gsquared
  - RE: Rather than explain it to you myself - RGA 17:46:26 09/10/21 (7)
    I think there are too many big words there for some of the Trump people on this board - they need to one syllable Trump version (who by the way got the vaccine). So you'd think his mindless followers would get vaccinated but they're afraid of needles - to be fair a good 30% of the population are afraid to get a needle (Trypanophobia). So perhaps many of them suffering from this phobia need to latch onto the conspiracy nonsense because they're terrified of needles.
    
    As for the masks - well as you point out the virus largely travels on water molecules.
    
    If you wear a mask and someone sneezes into your face there is a chance that some of their sneezes will get to your mouth and nose and will pass into your system - although it will still block out most of their slime. If both of you are wearing the mask - very VERY little will get into your system and probably none.
    
    There are tons of videos that show all of this in real-time if one cares enough to look around.
    
    It also explains why here in Hong Kong - there are 2 new cases only (imported ones at that) in a population of 7.5 million people. In fact, we are right next to mainland China where it all began and we have had a total of 212 people die from this virus since February 2020. 100% of the population here wore masks. Inside outside at the beach at the gym. As a result, there was no lockdown here - for periods restaurants went to take out only but my friends and I have enjoyed several buffets over the summer.
    
    And only 53% of the population has had both vaccines. And the reason that number is so low is people here wear masks and the death rate is so low that the motivation has not been there to get the vaccine.
    
    Asia though has always been more of a mask-wearing culture. When someone has a cold here - they are polite people who care about other people (unlike a certain segment of Americans (ahem R)). They wear a mask to no spread their germs to other people because it's a very densely packed city and people are bumping into others on the trains everyone touching the handles and escalator hand rails. So they don't want to spread their germs to others (and that was before Covid-19!
    
    I usually get a cold at the same time every year and not so with wearing these masks - hell when Covid-19 is over I would be fine to keep wearing them.
    
    The whole issue is idiotic - the masks are CHEAP. There is zero negative impact - they block out colds and flu and some other particulates on top that are harmful.
    
    Whenever these kinds of things come up just look at the risk-reward proposition.
    
    You make a 4 square. Wearing a mask costs you pennies. So the risk is that you spend pennies a day on a mask and it turns out the mask is ineffective - so like a lottery ticket you spent the money and didn't win - it was a waste of time. So the only risk you are taking is cost.
    
    OTOH if you are wrong and the masks work even if only 20% not 95% then you are paying pennies to get some lowering of risk of dying.
    
    So let's say you pay pennies for a mask and you wear the mask and you die - well you're dead you won't miss the pennies anymore or any of your bank account because you're dead. The Reward is that the pennies might save your life.
    
    I mean it's just basic common sense.
    
    This high school teacher nailed it on Climate Change - and that is a far bigger expense - but make the same analysis for masks.
    - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7i-K3nw5mo (Open in New Window)
    - hat some of their sneezes will get to your mouth and nose and will pass into your system - LtMandella 11:50:59 09/11/21 (0)
      right, and this brings into focus the issue of "viral load".
      
      It turns out that whether you get infected, and how severe the infection is, has a lot to do with how many virii you are actually hit with in a short period of time.
      
      In infection disease parlance, this is termed "viral load".
      
      Your immunie system is reasonably competent. Only when it is _overwhelmed_ by an infectious agent do you get syptoms.
      
      So by blocking most of the viral load of an exposure event, the immune system has a much better chance of fighting off an infection, or at least signficantly reducing or completely preventing sysmptoms, severity, and duration.
      
      I had a good friend who was one of the top infectious disease MDs in CA. (passed away a few years ago from ovarian cancer).
      
      . I judge any sound system by how tiring it is to listen to.
      Linkwitz
    - RE: Rather than explain it to you myself - Wojciech 19:02:33 09/10/21 (5)
      Hong Kong had rather unpleasant memories of Sars outbreak so they implemented all the precaution policies early on , testing, border controls school closures, and quarantines at the times when Fauci and Surgeon General were saying:
      "....And stay safe by washing your hands, by covering your cough, by staying home if you're sick. Masks do not work for the general public and preventing them from getting coronavirus,"
      And Biden decried Trumps travel restrictions as "hysterical xenophobia"
      Weren't you on that board too at that time Richard? I know you were because
      you were thundering here all the time about those Trump idiots.
      And they later changed their stance because the "science advanced" .Ha Ha , science advanced! Corona viruses are studied for decades and Fauci was funding Wuhan Gain of function research on those viruses. They know everything about the way it spreads for several years now.
      AS for the folks who care about fellow citizens, nobody except East and West coast is earning a living wage in US. Forget the unity!
      - RE: Rather than explain it to you myself - RGA 20:00:06 09/10/21 (4)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Rather than explain it to you myself posted by Wojciech on September 10, 2021 at 19:02:33
        
        Trump's own stupid words: Look at the date in the top right corner.
        Don't be an idiot.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNpr7_iRHa8 (Open in New Window)
        
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        RE: Rather than explain it to you myself - Wojciech 22:04:29 09/10/21 (3)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Rather than explain it to you myself posted by RGA on September 10, 2021 at 20:00:06
        
        I cant watch Trump for more than 10 sec. All I credit him for is that he knew the US is tanking and something has to be done.
        At that time there were no vaccines, no hospital beds and no masks so what he supposed to say to his fellow Americans convinced they are a pinnacle of the world? And sorry, 280 millions of insubordinate rednecks is not a 7 million of Asians used to deal with outbreaks of viruses.
        
        Now there's an ironic statement, given that... - MWE 12:01:50 09/11/21 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Rather than explain it to you myself posted by Wojciech on September 10, 2021 at 22:04:29
        
        he has profoundly contributed (and is contributing) to said ongoing "tanking".
        
        Mark in NC
        "The thought that life could be better is woven indelibly into our hearts and our brains" -Paul Simon
        
        RE: Rather than explain it to you myself - RGA 04:40:11 09/11/21 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Rather than explain it to you myself posted by Wojciech on September 10, 2021 at 22:04:29
        
        Well, what he should have been saying is the virus is real and not a democratic hoax. What should have been saying is this virus (whether it was released by a mishap at the Wuhan plant, whether it was on purpose or whether it was from a Bat) - it is a serious problem because unlike the flu which has a vaccine this virus does not.
        And with the normal flu, we take the vaccine because it lowers our chance of dying from it and it lessens the severity of the flu should you get it. Covid-19 is considerably more deadly - and we have no vaccine.
        We also do not have enough masks in the United States at the current time. So we need to keep the current stockpile of masks that we do have for front line workers (Doctors and Nurses).
        You know - deal with the American public honestly - what a concept.
        Until we can procure the masks needed for a mass rollout to the US population we ask all of you to limit your exposure to other people and stay as far away from others as you can. Effective immediately, all schools nationwide are hereby closed as are all sporting events and all movie theatres and restaurants and bars for the next 30 days.
        If Trump said that his redneck followers would have believed him 110%. Because he died hundreds of thousands of people needlessly died - and that is largely on him.
        If Fauci had said the exact same thing (both of them in lockstep) then the liberal left would have also believed it. With Trump lying to the public over 5000 times in office) it would have required a real scientist - one who worked in both administrations especially under Obama for lefties to be on board.
        But no - both downplayed it. Fauci and other scientists downplayed it to make sure first responders had masks and to try to stop a panic but panic ensued anyway and all the masks and toilet paper left the shelves faster than Afghani soldiers left their posts.
        And before you say that is just Trump bashing - remember he has a track record of only caring about himself and his profits. Remember when he banned Muslims - he only banned Muslim countries that do not have a Trump hotel - ie all the Muslims from all Trump hotel countries were never banned including Saudi Arabia who was responsible for 9/11 (I know it's hard for Trump supporters to get this but the man never banned Muslims from Saudi F-ing Arabia!) Not one Trump lover has been able to come back to me on it - not the dozens of times I mentioned it here on Facebook or by media. Ban those evil Muslims from coming to the US of A but bah not the ones who were responsible for 9/11 - oh because they give money to Trump. That doesn't bother a single Trump person on this board - not one! How?
        Or when Trump says companies should not do business in China and they should hire Americans on American soil (America first) yet he had his clothing company (and his daughter's clothing company) making clothes in China before, during, and after his presidency - it is the hypocrisy above all else that is why I loathe him and the dimwits who give him a pass on EVERY horrible thing the guy has done. I call out democrat presidents and I have called out people I voted for in Canada when they do some assanine BS.
        Biden was nowhere near my first choice of Democrats to run and neither was HRC. But the dumbass US system gives you basically two choices and the DNC fixes it to get their corporate-owned puppet firmly in place.
        So then it comes down to things that are about personal freedom - the Democrats are for it and the Republicans are absolutely not. To me domestic policy trumps foreign policy. I am Pro-Choice and freedom over your own body and if you want 2 wives why the F do I care?
        Personal freedom to me trumps all so long as everyone is the age of consent and you are not hurting anyone then you should be FREE to control your own body. Same for smoking a plant that grows naturally on the planet earth - the God believers should hold the belief that God made Marijuana - he bloody well put the plant on earth for the joy of his children (us humans) to enjoy. Smoke up and relax.
        Thus, in the US - when it comes to more personal freedom there is only ONE party and that is the democratic party. America is designed to be a secular country without the idiocy of the church ruling it. Democrats are the ONNL party that believes the country should be run without a fascistic religious doctrine to rule over the nation - again history shows that when religion is in charge of anything disaster and body counts increase.
        Perhaps because one of my degrees had a heavy focus on Nazi Germany - when I listen to Trump alarm bells were going off - and perhaps because as you say you can't watch Trump for more than 10 sec you did not get enough time being able to draw the clear an obvious parallels and because his supporters tend to mostly come from the uneducated segment of society (Trump did say he loved the uneducated after all) none of them would know any history either. Most of the side with the confederate army and are pro slavery. So I mean - when you are on the side of the racists and the morons in a society you really should take a step back and say - gee I am in agreement with a bunch of inbred hapless morons so perhaps I should make a T-Chart as to where I have gone wrong here.
        Spend 6 minutes and watch this fellow - he is a police officer trainer and war vet and yes a southern liberal - and he was asked to do a show about Trump's accomplishments
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M6CXhUS-x8 (Open in New Window)
        
        Edits: 09/11/21
        
        RE: Rather than explain it to you myself - rivervalley817 22:11:24 09/10/21 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Rather than explain it to you myself posted by Wojciech on September 10, 2021 at 22:04:29
        
        'so what he supposed to say'
        
        'he' supposed to use correct grammatical syntax to be a good red troll
        
        I see you now, dig it?
  - Do these look like N95 masks to you ??? - emailtim 16:30:17 09/10/21 (12)
    These are the types of powered positive-pressure "RESPIRATORS" being used in our hospitals, not paper/fiber/cloth masks. They are also using full body suits.
    
    Notice any differences ??? Maybe they know something you don't (like the graph you posted) ???
    - okay, I'm sick of this idiocy now - elblanco 19:21:56 09/10/21 (11)
      they wear much more robust equipment because they are immersed in Covid during entire shift. the concentration in the air and TIME SPENT IN THIS ENVIRONMENT is what necessitates this equipment.
      
      why is the concentration (ppm) higher? because EVERYONE HAS FUCKING COVID IN THE HOSPITAL?
      
      why you ask? because they won't get vaccinated or wear masks.
      
      there is a "time spent over target" factor that cannot be ignored.
      
      N95 is perfect for shopping and normal everyday activities where contact is brief concentration low.
      
      lets bake this potatoe and put it to bed
      
      yes, potato intentionally mispelled.
      - Take it easy - Wojciech 19:55:55 09/10/21 (10)
        
        In Reply to: RE: okay, I'm sick of this idiocy now posted by elblanco on September 10, 2021 at 19:21:56
        
        Most folks wear the same mask for a week and they often put it backwards on some days. They keep it low at times and pick their noses and touch their faces all over before putting it back when required. Then, there are masses who wear cute cotton masks with bumper sticker wisdom on them. Wait isn't Fauci wearing one too ? I think he is. What is the OSHA certification on those? How many microns ??
        
        Fauci suggested wearing 2 or 3 masks simultaneously. - emailtim 20:23:29 09/10/21 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Take it easy posted by Wojciech on September 10, 2021 at 19:55:55
        
        If N95's are so great, why wear 3 ???
        Simple, because they are not effective as plainly stated on the packaging.
        I see many people wearing MESH masks so they can breath. The mesh is big enough for small bugs to get through.
        All show, no go unless you are wearing a properly sealed qualified respirator.
        
        Edits: 09/10/21
        
        More of your deliberate bullshit. Fauci wasn't talking about wearing 2 n95's. - Rick W 07:58:52 09/12/21 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Fauci suggested wearing 2 or 3 masks simultaneously. posted by emailtim on September 10, 2021 at 20:23:29
        
        I think you know damn well he was referring to cloth/surgical masks. Nobody but a few other wingnuts falls for your bs.
        https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210126/double-masking-make (Open in New Window)
        
        Edits: 09/12/21
        
        RE: Take it easy - elblanco 20:08:37 09/10/21 (7)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Take it easy posted by Wojciech on September 10, 2021 at 19:55:55
        
        who cares?
        
        he's not around anyone who's unvaccinated, or sick. vaccinated people can transmit , but not nearly as much. plus he's in rooms that are huge.
        
        why do think almost no transmission occurs at grocery stores. because of the huge volume of air. and nobody is crammed together.
        
        there is no reason for eferyone to not have N95 mask.
        
        notice hospital workers have full face covering.
        
        why? because high concentration for long periods will eventually enter through eyeballs.
        
        its all degrees...-.wear an N95.
        
        if someone you know gets covid. put them in room with powerful exhaust fan pinched in window. cover any HVAC RETURNS completely. leave supply alone. more air goes out than in. nobody in house will get sick. have done this more than 20x.
        
        RE: Take it easy - Wojciech 20:58:15 09/10/21 (6)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Take it easy posted by elblanco on September 10, 2021 at 20:08:37
        
        I live among unvaccinated people. None of them got sick. None in their families got sick and I live basically in the ghetto. All I hear are stories. Stories from a friend and a psychiatrist who has to assist people dying in ICU unit. Stories of friends of a friends who died or struggled. I think most of people are in this situation and that's why there are so many who find it hard to relate and make sense of this whole mess. When you read the media it's an apocalypse. A total disaster and a mayhem. Even here
        the mood is wear the mask or die. It's simply not true. People can be easily convinced if they believe the intentions are sincere. Unfortunately the politics forbid it. It would be easy if Biden would say, sorry folks I was wrong about it and that scoundrel and mostly wrong orange clown was actually right about that one thing. And the opposite side would have the guts to say well, our bad. We underestimated the threat and we fucked up and the current administration is actually doing something good so please follow the protocol. Wouldn't that be nice ? All the best
        
        Exactly what was Trump right about and Biden wrong? - Rick W 10:47:55 09/11/21 (4)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Take it easy posted by Wojciech on September 10, 2021 at 20:58:15
        
        Can't imagine what the hell you think is going on w/covid. You think the deaths are fake stats, the countless docs telling us the hospitals in a number of states are overwhelmed, the people who don't have covid and can't get treated/operations due to so many covid patients are all full of shit? Do you seriously believe nobody in your neighborhood got covid, nobody died? You think docs/hospitals/media are all lying when they say that around 95% of the current hospitalizations and deaths are people who are not vaccinated?
        I personally knew several people who died from covid and ditto for my SO. None were very old, none were obese, one had diabetes.
        BTW - where is the ghetto you live in?
        
        Edits: 09/11/21 09/12/21
        
        RE: Exactly what was Trump right about and Biden wrong? - RGA 22:33:37 09/11/21 (2)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Exactly what was Trump right about and Biden wrong? posted by Rick W on September 11, 2021 at 10:47:55
        
        The Trumpers on this board wonder why we dislike the man - nope - they just can't figure it out. Being a basic human being puzzles the supposed Christians on this forum. The mind boggles.
        
        Hey! At least he didn't spend 9/11 playing golf... - musetap 08:57:47 09/12/21 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Exactly what was Trump right about and Biden wrong? posted by RGA on September 11, 2021 at 22:33:37
        
        But it wouldn't surprise me if he snuck in a few holes.
        
        "Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
        
        Probably because he's no longer on the taxpayers' dime. Nt - RGA 00:31:00 09/13/21 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Hey! At least he didn't spend 9/11 playing golf... posted by musetap on September 12, 2021 at 08:57:47
        
        My.
        
        Too true. The father of one of my coworkers... - MWE 11:37:20 09/11/21 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Exactly what was Trump right about and Biden wrong? posted by Rick W on September 11, 2021 at 10:47:55
        
        caught the disease and died of severe lung damage earlier this year, the day before he was supposed to be discharged from the hospital after an orthopedic procedure. Yeah, I don't think she made that up, either. Thank you for calling out the bizarre rationalizations made by certain people on this subject.
        
        Mark in NC
        "The thought that life could be better is woven indelibly into our hearts and our brains" -Paul Simon
        
        RE: Take it easy - rivervalley817 21:56:35 09/10/21 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Take it easy posted by Wojciech on September 10, 2021 at 20:58:15
        
        'we fucked up'
        
        we?
        
        in earlier posts you've said you were a Polish National not an 'American' citizen
        
        with regrets about being 'here'
        
        which is ridiculous because you're nowhere at all
A slight edit - Batman 14:01:37 09/10/21 (1)
I forgot to mention that not all of cigarette smoke is particulate. Some of it is aeromatic compounds such as carbon monoxide, hydrogen cyanide, benzene, formaldehyde, nicotine, phenol, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) and tobacco-specific nitrosamines (TSNAs).
- I think that would explain it - thanks! [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 16:05:25 09/10/21 (0)

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