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In Reply to: RE: Cars cost twice as much these days.... posted by Rod M on June 07, 2021 at 15:17:39
That's $23,000 in today's dollars. You'd have to use the fully optioned price, since AC, power steering, power brakes, power windows, and automatic transmission is pretty much standard across the board.
There is no 2021 Impala, GM killed it off last year.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
Follow Ups:
I guess they didn't get the memo.
-Rod
Chrysler sold a 200 in 2020, IIRC they actually sold two of them. The 200 has been OOP since 2017.
GM killed the Impala in 2020. According to Wikipedia, the last Impala left the assembly line on February 27, 2020.
There is no 2021 Impala, so that's a dealer I'd never trust.
That price is made possible by the chip shortage and the pandemic. Otherwise, a leftover Impala probably wouldn't sell for more than $20K.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
You'd have to use the fully optioned price...
it wouldn't begin to possess the depth of creature comforts, useful bits like ABS, GPS, TPM, DTE, heated seats, backup cameras, subscription and locally stored music NOR even remotely approach the level of performance of current models in every respect.
Not to mention myriad additional safety features.
TPM, stability control, backup camera. I know, unfortunately, they're Federally mandated, nothing can be done about that. TPM is like low-flow toilets, an idea that sounds good on paper but doesn't actually work all that well in reality. A car that needs a backup camera has a serious design flaw. Stability control ads a layer of electronic complexity for very little gain, if any. Here in the snow belt, stability/traction control is a problem not an asset.
The music thing could be easily and cheaply remedied (easier than with my Cobalt), so it really isn't a factor.
Something else that might surprise you is that '55 Chevy was a lot lighter than you might think, only 100 pounds or so heavier than a Honda Civic.
On the other hand, AC is much more reliable today than it was in 1955. Systems designed before changes under the Clean Air Act of 1990 tended to lose refrigerant after a couple of years. Wife's car is 16 years old, the AC will freeze you out on a hot day and it's never needed even a recharge. Mine doesn't work as well but the car has a black leather interior.
I'll wager anybody that bought a '55 Chevy with AC, the AC wasn't working when they traded it in for a '57.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
"I'll wager anybody that bought a '55 Chevy with AC, the AC wasn't working when they traded it in for a '57."
We had a 55 210 with A/C and it never needed any recharge or repairs, parents traded it in 1960 for used 57 210 wagon also with A/C because they wanted a station wagon. It never needed a recharge. Mom crunched it in 1965
and they bought a new leftover Buck Special with A/C that they owned for ten years, then gave it to my sister who had it for five and it never needed a
recharge or A/C repair, would put frost on the vents.
My 72 Buick Centurion never needed a recharge or A/C repair in the 270,000
miles I owned it, never needed anything but gas and lots of it, it was bullet proof.
My current 1996 Impala SS never had a A/C repair or recharge until last year when the compressor went, but after 24 years and 200,000 miles I can't complain.
TPM is like low-flow toilets, an idea that sounds good on paper but doesn't actually work all that well in reality. A car that needs a backup camera has a serious design flaw.
Huh? The TPM on both RL and Boxster have worked perfectly for years. And have been useful for identifying slow leaks.
I thoroughly enjoy having the camera on the pickup which allows me to consistently back up within inches of the bumper.
The worst was a co-worker who curbed a tire in her RAV4. After four trips back to the dealer, the new sensor still couldn't communicate with the car's body control module.
And there are so many cars for sale locally on craigslist with the disclaimer that the tire pressure light won't go out and hasn't for 5 or 7 years...
I'm sure many people never have any issues with the system, but I don't want to be the guy with the tire light that nobody can fix.
I check my tire pressures regularly and I don't need or want TPM.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
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Yet I've never known anyone who had a problem where it wasn't a simple fix... TPM systems are better for most people, because as you have said ad nauseum; most people don't even know how much HP they have. Well, most that don't will also not have a tire pressure gauge they use regularly (or even know how to use). TPM's save mileage, make for easy tire pressure checks, etc.
Back-up cameras... one can easier and more accurately back into a good spot with their vehicle with a back up cam than without. Try one, not a chance you can consistently back in as well without it, that's a fact. Couldn't back in that day? Try backing out when you end up with 2 large vehicles beside you. No cam, just slowly back up hoping nothing comes. Cam; you can at least see surrounding areas. Much safer in any vehicle, nothing to do with any design flaw.
Seriously ghost, your claims are unsubstantiated and tiring.
I hear you.
I park at the ice rink every morning. Inevitably I'm surrounded by pick up's (hockey players) and their God knows how long beds, or massive SUV's. I love my camera that let's me back out and alerts me when something is coming THAT I CAN'T SEE no matter how far I crane my neck.
I love my TPM that told me that I was losing pressure for some reason (newish low profile tires that always have the appearance of being fine) and discovering a nail in one just as I was starting out on a 100 mile round trip at 80 mph on the freeway with my daughter in the back seat.
I also love my blind spot warning lights as well. Sometimes cars just sneak in there and ride it for some reason. Now I know there's something there and I can do something about it.
I'm not a car guy, never worked on one, never wanted to. I don't mind paying my mechanic to do it. I have better things to do with my time and enough money to not worry about it.
Old car guys can do it their way, I'll do it mine.
It's a nuisance. Better to look out the window; better to design vehicles that are easy to see out of. In all directions. Without the huge blind spot to the rear quarters that are a feature of most SUVs.
Friends and co-workers know I'm a car geek. I hear the complaints and get the questions. That's how I know so many people with TPM issues.
So, we try to force people to keep their tires at the correct pressure. What's next? Gonna force them to get regular oil changes? Coolant flush?
People will drive around with bad brakes, worn suspension components like ball joints, tie rod ends, bushings, all much worse than tire pressure.
I take care of regular maintenance and also preventative maintenance. Why should I pay because other people don't give a damn?
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
Don't answer any direct questions like usual; backing out between 2 large vehicles, no reply on cam vs. no cam? Impossible for anyone to do it as safely as with one.
Neither my wife's nor my SUV have huge blind spots any more than an old Chevy 2 door with a rear hatch let's say. And it doesn't matter if it did, use the back up cam. :) They are not a catch all, but much safer, save lives.
Friends and co-workers also come to me for car questions. I went to school for auto mechanics, have worked on cars my whole life and still do. Yet magically... none of my friends have non-solvable TPM issues.
Ad nauseum ghost.
The cam in my sister's Acura sounds the alert when there's nothing behind the car. Even she complains about it. It's done it when I've driven it, done when she's driven it.
But even worse than the camera is the electric parking brake. Talk about an answer to a question nobody asked.
Guess your friends are lucky with TPM. I don't want to be one of the unlucky ones. I take car of my cars and shouldn't be penalized because other people don't.
Check out used cars on your local CL, you'll find many with the "tire light won't go out" disclaimer. All brands.
None of these technological marvels are making driving any safer. Traffic fatalities have been steadily increasing since 2010, which is the last year you could get a car without stability control.
Pedestrian and cyclist fatalities are way up, largely because of SUVs and trucks. Fatalities spiked last year despite many fewer miles driven. So either they don't work as advertised, or they're making already lazy drivers even lazier, or they're being undone by the SUV.
It's no secret, I think it's all bullshit. TPM is bullshit, stability control is bullshit, backup cameras are for the weak, the SUV is the biggest bullshit of all. Nothing more than a marketing gimmick to fool the gullible into spending more money for an inferior version of something that costs less.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
Edits: 06/08/21
C'mon, isn't that a bit melodramatic? One instance and all of them don't work?
With both instances we have, it's not a *light* - rather one of many selectable information modes that provides real time visibility of pressure at all four ends.
Four different replacement wheel sensors refused to communicate with the rest of the car. I don't know how it all turned out, retired before they got it resolved.
Like I said, it's an idea that's looks good on paper. Keep those tires filled up, get better gas mileage, tires last longer, etc.
But it's a complex system and the more you overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain.
There's no substitute for checking your own tire pressures.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
Edits: 06/08/21
when you don't have TPM!
That way, you don't have to rely on the system.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
I always keep a tire pressure gauge with my air compressor. Have to use it with bike and S2000.
One in the car, one in the house for the bicycles. Can pre-set the inflation pressure. They'll run from house current or car power. Very handy.
And if all else fails, I've also got a regular air compressor and an air chuck.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
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