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In Reply to: RE: We aren't responsible enough to own guns. nt posted by ghost of olddude55 on May 28, 2021 at 13:54:35
NT
Follow Ups:
Sure as hell, it's not what Texas did this week.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
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You aren't going to prevent them from having them. If you want to make it illegal for the average person to have one, well there will be a lot more illegal ones.
That right was established by SCOTUS in its Heller decision.
But Justice Scalia wrote the majority opinion and made it clear that the right to own a gun isn't absolute. States, municipalities, and the feds can place certain restrictions on gun ownership.
Assault weapons bans are constitutional. So are rigorous background checks like NYC uses, where detectives talk to you family, friends, and co-workers before issuing a gun permit.
But then there's Texas. Got a problem with gun-owning nuts going on shooting sprees? Make it easier for nuts to own guns.
Honestly, I agree with you. There are already too many guns in circulation and common sense (and constitutional) gun control measures are just closing the barn door long after the horses are gone. But surely there's a way to reduce our gun population so that the proverbial future generations don't have to worry about some asshole with a grudge showing up at the grocery store.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
right you are!
Doubt many or vanishingly FEW gun owers would put themselves on the 'irresponsible' side of the ledger.
Too much is never enough
Technically we did not give guns to the irresponsible. They already had/have them.
We just made it legal for the irresponsible to carry them in public on their persons without any training or a permit.
What could possibly go wrong with that?
Have a vote (let the NRA organize it - for free - give them something positive to do) to
decide which calibre of each type weapon it will be by polling those that want to own them.
Winning calibre is the ONLY type produced and available.
Police and military are issued larger weapons and control of those weapons gets
seriously monitored/controlled.
Each citizen that has their handgun and rifle (non semi automatic, non automatic, as close
to being produced to negate any alteration/modification) learns to live with what they have.
Each gun owner has to SUBSCRIBE to buy ammunition from licensed sellers. All ammunition
and guns Made in USA only. No exceptions.
Want to make your own ammunition? Have to have a license and limitations.
ANY gun other than the issued guns becomes illegal after a certain date and can be confiscated
to be recycled/destroyed. PERIOD. Bring the wrong gun to a gun range and it gets confiscated
and destroyed.
Gun collector? Your gun(s) need to qualify as collectable and be modified to not be able to fire.
So you now own a .38 or .44 or whatever it is everyone else has. You can modify it any way you
want cosmetically to make it "yours", get a special holster, get a special gun box, what ever bonds
you to it. Have the barrel engraved with your family crest. Give it a nifty name.
Your rifle, your shotgun? Same deal. No alterations or add-ons. Want a better hunting rifle than Ralph? Get a better scope or grips. Take better care of it. Learn to use and respect your weapon.
Completely levels the playing field as regards competitions.
You a hunter? Learn to hunt with what you have. Develop some real skills.
Sounds like a LOT of work and time and devotion and fortitude.
Sounds like something to invest in to have less guns in our future, to be mature and learn to
take guns seriously and not as just as some other type of hobby or pursuit or something to do.
Yeah, the "criminals" will still have guns but eventually and with focused effort on everyone's
part there will be less and less guns for them to get their hands on.
Anyway, it's an idea...
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
I remember talking with someone in Romania back in '73.
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We are inclusive and diverse. But dissent will not be tolerated.
Really?
Wow.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
Nice thoughts but overly simplistic.
A 22 will kill a squirrel but only cripple a deer and a wounded animal is cruel. A 270 will do a nice job on a deer but explode a deer. A 28 gauge is idea for a quail but will often just cripple a pheasant. A 12 gauge is needed for pheasant and water fowl.
Most of my shotguns are manufactured in Europe. I cannot see any harm in importing arms. No different than importing cars, wine or cheese.
Unfortunately people with a propensity to kill will find the means.
We need to get our backbone back and ban the mental cases from gun ownership and get the illegal guns out of our urban wastelands.
And you do eat what you shoot, right?
Get a slingshot for the squirrel.
Bow and arrow for the deer.
Quail are stupid, throw a rock at them if you don't have a .510.
Maybe sport hunters need to find a new past time or actually learn what sport means.
Many (quality) imports can be better than domestic product, but most aren't used to kill although
there are some imported cheeses that the smell alone would make you wish you were dead.
So, you missed the point there. Which would be better monitoring/tracing of where guns go which would be easier to do minus imports.
Simplistic? Of course it's simplistic, it concerns AMERICANS!
We need to start somewhere is my basic thought.
The most recent episode of mass shootings (unless one happened today) did not
involve an urban wasteland and I'm pretty sure that's what inspired these recent
gun threads. It's always the latest mass shooting that inspires these too frequent
gun threads.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
I have a permit, but I wasn't comfortable with most of the people I took the course with. I grew up with guns for hunting. I served in the military. I feel that most people shouldn't have guns, but the bad guys have them. They probably weren't trained either. Maybe it's just an equal opportunity thing.
How are the cops gonna know who the bad guy is if everybody's got a gun?
Maybe I'll just stay home until this sorts itself out.
If a gun is being openly carried (aka visibly displayed) it is most likely "legal" and the person carrying it is NOT a "bad guy".
There's one criteria for ya!
"So I talk to the night, I head for the light, try and hold it on the road. Thank God for the man who put
the white lines on the highway"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP
or some stoopid version thereof?
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
Nt.
Mark in NC
"The thought that life could be better is woven indelibly into our hearts and our brains" -Paul Simon
Trust me they are sorting it out.
a way to ensure that you keep them out of the hands of people that should NOT have them...
Or any state legislature either. Why? Is it because responsible gun owners mobilize at the very suggestion?
If that's the case, responsible gun owners are nearly as bad as the irresponsible.
What Texas did this past week--making it legal for anybody to carry without any restrictions--is the height of irresponsibility. If anything, we're moving more in that direction than towards stricter background checks.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
But, I guess if you were a Republican and some Democrats got shot, there's really no need to rush into it, right?!?
Keep Your Hands Clean,
John K
nt
That is almost always the case in the stories that make the news. The lunatics will always manage to get guns. The solution suggested most of the time is to limit the general public access. That doesn't make sense to a lot of people.
was able to quickly and easily find a gun on the spur of the moment because there are so many around, with such easy access.
Mark in NC
"The thought that life could be better is woven indelibly into our hearts and our brains" -Paul Simon
between stats and anecdotes false dichotomies are createdto me, the goal is to reduce mass shootings
those are almost exclusively perpetrated with relatively high power long rifles with high capacity magazines
yes, of course there's many incidents where shooting rampages are carried out with whatever was at hand ... but the high body count ones always have the aforementioned in common
logically, that's where the focus should be regarding weapon access
Reagan was shot with a pistol, Lennon was killed with one
they have something in common ... one pistol, one victim
so there's a stat worth contemplating
edit: I agree with your skepticism based on the above! [and more]
best regards,
Edits: 05/28/21
So a lunatic goes to the shop and legally buys a gun.
And a kid is walking down the street past the lunatics home and gets shot and killed.
How can anybody not see that the right to life outweighs the right to own a dangerous toy?
Keep Your Hands Clean,
John K
'That doesn't make sense to a lot of people'
I don't know a lot of people SR
can I start with you?
what does make sense?
regards,
This forum seriously lacks a real problem solver. People just bitch and spout forth whatever someone said the solution of the day is. I should probably look up something to link for your reading pleasure and rejection, but I want to limit my wasted time. It's my new resolution.
NT
All it takes is a curious child or a drunken moron and there is another statistic for the books. People would survive just fine without them, once the fear of neighbours has subsided.
It is time to drag people into the present day, where the need for a 'well-armed militia' is in the distant past. Everything else is just macho bravado ... like pitbulls and big pickup trucks.
Nt.
Mark in NC
"The thought that life could be better is woven indelibly into our hearts and our brains" -Paul Simon
Last time I saw the stats, about two-thirds of American households were gun-free.
Some people collect them and they're responsible gun owners. They keep them in gun safes, use trigger locks, never store them loaded, etc.
They aren't the problem. Neither are hardcore hunters like my sister's significant other.
We could do a much better job of keeping guns out of the hands of somebody who would shoot his neighbor over loud music but we don't. The public supports it, even a majority of gun owners support it, but money talks and bullshit walks. As long as bribing congress critters via "campaign contributions" is constitutional, nothing will change.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
Edits: 05/28/21
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