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In Reply to: RE: There are lots and lots of them posted by Dave_K on May 03, 2021 at 10:20:57
From what I've read on Jalopnik the Golf is going to be discontinued after this generation is done. The Toyota Corolla hatch doesn't sell well, and neither does the Mazda 3.
The Kia Rio used to have a badge-engineered sister, the Accent hatchback but that's gone, replaced by the Hyundai Venue (which has less cargo capacity than the Accent hatch).
The Hyundai Veloster is one of those rarest of rare birds on the US market, a 3-door hatch. According to Jalopnik, it's also on its way out.
And those "crossovers?" Shhhh...don't tell anybody they're hatchbacks. If they were marketed as hatchbacks, nobody would buy them either.
Back in the 1990s, everybody had a two-door or 5-door hatch. You could get a Chevy Corsica hatchback, the Camaro was a hatchback for years. I had a 1986 Dodge Lancer Turbo, and it was a 5-door hatchback.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
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I've noticed that small crossover buyers aren't totally hostile when you tell them their car is just a tall hatchback. Just don't use the 'W' word if you're not looking for an argument.
I am genuinely surprised that the sales of the Mazda3 are falling off a cliff with the latest generation model. I think it's easily the best looking car in its class, the interior is near luxury, and you can even get it with the 2.5L turbo and/or AWD. The pricing is in line with the Corolla and Civic unless you go for the premium trims with the big engine. Those are options, along with AWD, that the competition doesn't even offer. And their average reliability scores are at the top of the list.
The Corolla, Civic, Senta, Elanta, Forte, and Jetta are all still selling strongly. So what's wrong with the Mazda3? I don't get it.
My son bought one and after driving it, I was sold. It looks great with proper wheels, has plenty of zip with the standard 4 banger and handles like a BMW 3 series. Mazda also has one of the best UIs for the screen with controls on the center arm rest.
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But Mazda went upmarket with the car because it isn't selling. Charging more money, make more money per unit.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
The top-of-the-line Mazda 6 is cheaper than the top-of-the-line Toyota Camry or Accord and the Mazda looks a lot nicer IMO and drivers seem to feel they drive the best. And that Soul Red is the best red in cars.
Savage Geese is one of the best review sites.
Price is about the same as I paid last year. I have the Premium package.
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At the high end, they are more expensive than the Civic and Corolla. But you can't buy a Civic or Corolla with AWD and an equivalent of the 2.5 turbo.
If you stick to 2WD and the naturally aspirated engines, the pricing is right in line with the Civic and Corolla and it's still nicer.
I really don't understand how the new 3 isn't a sales success. The previous 3 sold well, and the new 3 built on that with reduced NVH, sleeker styling, nicer interior design, and wish list items like AWD and the turbo.
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I thought I read that VW will no longer sell standard Golfs in the US, just the GTi and R.Are you saying VW is dropping the entire Golf line? I hope not.
P.S. I can't tell whether some Subaru's are hatchbacks, station wagons, or SUVs. Same for the Toyota Venza. That one failed years ago but Toyota brought it back.
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GTi and R will be the last of them; when the next gen is introduced, the US won't get any of them.
I'm surprised VW is still selling the Jetta and Passat in the US.
Performance cars don't sell. GM dropped the 4- and 6-cylinder 1LE Camaros. Hyundai will likely can the Veloster soon.
The US market is trucks and SUVs. Only a few of use want something else and we don't matter.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
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...because you don't buy new cars. Manufacturers build what sells. If you bought a new vehicle every 2 (or even 4-5) years, your voice would be heard. Auto manufacturers are in the business of building and selling new vehicles. They don't give a rat's ass about the used car market or depreciation/re-sale value.
If 5-door hatchbacks with a stick were flying off the lots, there would be a whole row of them out-front and center. If you're only moving a couple thousand units a year, you're moving-on, to something that sells.
"So I talk to the night, I head for the light, try and hold it on the road. Thank God for the man who put
the white lines on the highway"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP
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The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
That's not true! A Golf GTI or GT-R, a Honda Civic Si or R would be right up your alley, but you don't/won't pay for one, so, they too, will go away. The Mazda 3 is also in your wheelhouse, but you won't buy one.
It's the opposite of the old "Field of Dreams" theory--"if you build it they will come"--in this case, "they will build it if you will buy it".
"So I talk to the night, I head for the light, try and hold it on the road. Thank God for the man who put
the white lines on the highway"--a very dear friend for decades Michael Stanley (Gee)--RIP
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I'm not sure where, because I don't see new Jettas around here much anymore. But nationally, they sell in quantities similar to the Tiguan and Atlas.
This generation of the standard Golf hatch isn't selling. The Golf SportWagen sold more than twice the standard Golf, but it was discontinued last year. The Golf R sold as much as the standard Golf, but it was discontinued last year as well. But the standard Golf is still in the lineup, the least popular model of the whole family. I don't understand the strategy. At least they kept the GTI, which also outsells the standard Golf 2:1.
All I see around here are Tiguans and Atlases as well.
I got all weak in the knees for a Jetta GLi. This was in 1984, and my ex-wife and I were in the market for a new car.
The Jetta GLi didn't sell either and the dealer was offering a substantial discount. But I loved the car too much. The ex-wife wasn't having any of it. Any car I liked that much was a non-starter with her.
We ended up with a Honda Civic. Better car than the Jetta but not nearly as much fun to drive.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
It was a really nice little car. When it ran. That was the problem.
It was the one and only time we bought an extended warranty, and we sure did get our money's worth on that decision. It had problems right from the start and they never stopped, but we put 225K miles on it anyway because it was so nice.
Not a GLi. The engine was durable but the wiring was awful. 50K miles, the fuse block fell apart. He had to build a new fuse block from whatever was handy. That kind of stuff never happened with Hondas.
IMO, for that GLi, would have been worth it. I owned an '84 Rabbit GTi for a few months about 20 years ago and the memories of that car are still fresh. Even though it had been thrashed to pieces, it was the most fun I've ever had behind the wheel of a car.
I've got a Cobalt Super Sport now, and it'll run rings around that GTi, but the GTi was more fun to drive, hands down. Better seats, better shifter, about 800 pounds lighter. No need for power steering. Lots of glass, great sight lines....
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
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