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In Reply to: RE: I have to agree with bean about McNamara. posted by ghost of olddude55 on November 21, 2020 at 09:43:05
He mistrusted that "data" but lied to the American public about it, thereby prolonging a war he knew damn well was unwinnable (not to mention the moral question).
What's going on with covid is almost the reverse. Data and advice based on that data provided by the worldwide medical community is basically as accurate and sensible as they can get it, yet way too many fools in and out of government refuse to accept it and act accordingly. The U.S. and many other countries are reaping the cost of that lack of acceptance right now.
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If you approach the day keeping the phrase "figures never lie, but liars always figure" at hand, you might be surprised at the things you find.
You are and we should all be skeptical regarding the views/advice of medical experts all over the world who basically say the same things? Their advice should be ignored? They're lying or don't know whereof they speak? You haven't yet seen enough evidence that ignoring their advice results in exactly what they predicted to warrant suspending your skepticism?You think the authorities in Australia did the wrong thing? They should have waited and possibly exposed many more people to the virus based on the possibility that the guy lied?
Dunno, maybe I'm misinterpreting. But judging from some of your previous posts it doesn't seem like you had much problem suspending skepticism regarding Trump's lies, distortions and obfuscations.
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Which is true. Willful ignorance is another matter.
The thing about MacNamara is that the principles of the business world can only be applied to winning wars when your opponent is playing the same game, like the second world war. It should have been obvious. It was obvious. It didn't work in Korea. The French tried the same strategy in Vietnam that we did and failed. We had more firepower but that's all.
The generals were only giving Washington the data MacNamara wanted. Body counts, tons of bombs dropped, etc. Those were the metrics that Washington used to measure progress.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
I'm sure as hell not defending McNamara, who deep down knew it was bullshit too. Just sayin' that in the case of covid medical experts/scientists do have a lotta reliable data. The Australian episode was a bizarre result of a liar providing faulty data to authorities. Hardly the norm or adequate reason to be skeptical about the advice we are getting from medical experts everywhere about precautions we should take regarding covid19. How'd the skepticisism of Upper Midwesterners work out?
The whole operation right from the start, while the French still ran the country, was poison.
Westmorland was interested in body counts because Washington wanted body counts. He didn't have the capability of fighting the kind of war that Hanoi had in mind.
And he was on the wrong side anyway. We were never gonna have to fight them in Peoria.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
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