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The year might be off, but only electrics will be sold in near future. A push started now to build charging stations.
Read in our local paper the other day. Should be easy to find info.
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...but it will make for one hell of a new cottage industry--"importing" ICE vehicles into CA (at a significant mark-up, of course).
The infrastructure just isn't there, and isn't improving very rapidly--if anything, it's barely "hanging-on". And I'm not talking about charging stations--I'm talking about the entire power-grid across the state.
EVs are getting "better"--in terms of range and overall usefulness, but they're not getting any cheaper/affordable. Manufacturers are going to "hit a wall" too. It's taken Tesla a decade to turn a profit on a single vehicle. The "big-boys" are currently funding their EV programs from the profits on their huge gas-guzzling SUVs and full-size trucks.
Most Californians can barely afford to live in CA to start with and the state itself, is broke (well, deep in debt)--so let's make it more expensive to live here, right?
"No tears to cry. No feelings left. This species has amused itself to death..."--Roger Waters~Amused to Death, 1992
I can't even buy a non-CA Approved handgun from my brothers estate.
And thats' going thru ALL the paperwork, a Federal Firearms dealer and leaving a pint of blood at the door. I'm a non-felon, but would love to become a criminal just to enforce my 2nd amendment rights.
Best of luck getting a CAR smuggled in.......
Too much is never enough
With the rest of the world mandating EV-only production, I don't see the car manufacturers wanting to spend the money to sell one kind of car in the US and EVs all over the rest of the world.
It doesn't matter how good EVs are and it won't matter how expensive they are.
EU EV mandates kick in before 2035. Same with the UK.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
I think this is a GREAT IDEA whose time has come.
Imagine the electric grid when 15% to 20% of ALL the autos in the state get put 'on charge' at 9pm to be removed from charge at 6am. Great. Now we will have brownouts AT NIGHT when most people are sleepng. Just make sure to set your Battery Operated Alarm Clock.
Peak daytime demand will rise, too. But OH! Just think of all the Air Pollution averted!
All that REALLY needs to happen is for California to figure out how to reduce the current populaiton of maybe 40,000,000 to a more manageable 30,000,000 persons. All of a sudden? Water problems and Electric problems are much less an issue.
Don't forget we are NOT taxed enough. Prop 15 on the current ballot will raise taxes on business and industry.......with a guarantee of HIGHER PRICES down the pipe. But that's not all. Once the Sheeple have passed THAT little gem, (don't forget to NOT Tax ME, but the guy behind the tree) that we will start the repeal of prop 13 which has protected property owners since late-70s. My DAD worked the phones for that one. As soon as THAT gets canned, my personal property taxes will probably Double and a HALF....or right around there. We'll be back to what started that movement which was people getting taxed out of their homes. Congrats.
If I see THAT coming from far enough away, i'm selling and MOVING to somewhere else.
Too much is never enough
Automobile manufacturing is global. Most of the rest of the world is mandating EVs, before 2035, in fact.
The manufacturers aren't going to make one type of car for the US and another type for the rest of the world. They already don't. It's why we're stuck with turbo-charged 1.5 liter 4-cylinder engines and big-ass grilles.
So, there will be EVs and you won't get a choice.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
I see EV's for urban use and gas for the rest in the medium term
in the long term there not be any use for any of them
did the dominant species in Planet Of The Apes have EV's?
no! they were on horseback!
damn apes!
regards,
None of the manufacturers are going to do that. None of them. They won't even make different engines for different countries anymore.
And they don't care about offering a choice. They already force buyers to take shit whether they want it or not.
If it's cheaper to sell EVs worldwide, that's all we'll be offered.
Speaking of horseback...I followed a Chrysler Cordoba home from the bike trail this morning. It was immaculate, looked like maybe first year for the car.
We used to make fun of them, with their stupid opera windows and big chrome bumpers.
But that Cordoba is cooler than any car you can buy off a showroom floor today. Any. Car.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
'None of the manufacturers are going to do that'
why not? that's what they do now, sell a mix of gas & EV ... no?
ah, the Cordoba! with their genuine rich naughahyde interior
they stopped making those once naugha's made the endangered species list
with regards,
but ten years from now, the rest of the world will be EV only. No mix.
The great push in manufacturing for decades now is to standardize, rationalize, squeeze the bottom line until it screams. If it costs more money to build gas vehicles only for the US market, they won't build them.
The Wall Street Journal has had some really good and interesting stuff on the auto industry. None of the manufacturers care about volume. They're perfectly content to sell fewer units if they can make more money on each unit. As long as the public shows marked preference for $40K tin cans, they'll sell $40K tin cans and the hell with potential consumers who can't or won't spend that much.
Forcing EVs on the US buying public will cost them sales. They don't care. That's fewer factories they need to operate and fewer workers they need to pay. They'll just charge more per unit, screw the guy who can't afford it, and make their money.
And I'll have you know that the Coroba had rich Corinthian LEATHER.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
Cars are already on universal platforms so you are correct that it is simply easier and ultimately more cost efficient to sell more or less the same car globally than to different markets.Still profit is the ultimate motivator so if they can make money offering a different car to Americans they may do it if they see a particular desire in that market.
And you never know - the companies may make one thing now but if the public suddenly desires something else - the market may shift back at some point.
Take Ford - they may have dumped all their cars but they didn't dump the Mustang which means it must sell pretty well - a large enough group of Americans like this car enough that is a profit generator for Ford. I don't recall seeing a single Mustang in Hong Kong or China over the decade I have lived here. They may very well be here but they are not here in the numbers they are in the west.
Different countries value things a little bit differently - and there is a disposable wealth gap I suspect in Asia versus North America. When I talk to guys here (audio dealers) I see people hand over in cash $90,000 in cash for a pair of audio cables. Cash! They are not taking out 7 year financing loans to buy a Mustang. I know an Italian fellow here - he paid cash for a top of the line fully loaded Lamborghini. Cash. No loans mortgages or whatever. Cash (well wire transfer which is the same thing).
And there is a 100% tax on the purchase of a new car here - so he is paying double what an American would pay for the same car.
There is more per unit profit to be made on luxury goods. But to attract the wealthy you generally need a "luxury name plate" so even though the Kia Stinger may be a better car than comparable BMW and Mercedes - Kia isn't selling the Stinger - it has been rumored to be getting the axe - even though many journalist say it's a better driving car - more reliable, better looking, more practical, more features, better mileage, better warranty and on and on - the label say Kia - it doesn't say Mercedes. So the people who can spend $50,000 on the Kia want the brand - and the people who own current Kia and like them don't have $50,000 - they don't have $4,000 - so they take out 7 year loans on a Sportage SUV. People have a tendency to spend beyond their means and I really think basic business and finance education needs to be a core subject starting in elementary school all the way to the end of high school.
One of my friends bought a car and he has been paying it off for the last 7 years and still paying part of the previous car. Another friend bought said $50k Kia Stinger but he works at Costco and he took a 7 year loan out on it and will still have a balloon payment at the end.
People look at these "monthly payments" and they are not asking how much they are actually paying for the car with interest. Oh sure interest is low but - big payment at the end so who knows he may end up paying $70,000 for a $50,000 car. What he can afford in reality is a 2010 Toyota Corolla not a 2020 Stinger.
I am saving now so that when I return to Canada in 5-9 years I will be able to take out at most a 2-3 year loan on a car if even that. And my front runners are the Mazda Miata Naturally aspirated motor and the Ford Mustang GT convertible automatic - as Ford has a class action lawsuit against them for their awful Chinese purchased manual transmissions - people have gone through 3-4 of them. If I am going to spend $40,000 I damn well better enjoy the drive a little - and that's not happening in an SUV. I want to be able to drive across Canada in the spring and summer in some style with the top down and be able to punch it with a nice growl. Hopefully Ford will still be able to be allowed to make a V8 Gasoline engine in 5-7 years.
Edits: 09/26/20
It's one of the most popular cars in Germany, for example.
The only vehicles the so-called domestics sell in the US that aren't sold anywhere else in the world are the mammoth pick up trucks. But that market is protected by a tariff, and trucks have always been highly profitable.
All of the other vehicles sold here are world cars, mostly powered by small displacement turbocharged four cylinder engines that exist because most of the rest of the world taxes displacement.
I'm sure they can make money selling gasoline engined cars in the US only, but it will cost them money as well.
Regulators here won't force any car company to make one type of car or stop making another type. Ford will ditch the V8 Mustang voluntarily once the gasoline-powered cars are banned from the EU. The EV replacement will be going on sale soon. If Ford can sell the Mustang EV all over the world, but the gasoline-powered Mustang only in the US, then it's goodbye V8 engine. Make book on it.
The manufacturers really aren't interested in volume. Selling fewer units for more money per unit drives costs down and profits up. They way they make this happen is by eliminating consumer choice.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
Hopefully they'll still be around by the time I get back to Canada to try out. Though they seem to have had a lot of problems from 2015 on for various recalls - Class action for their Manual transmissions they bought from China and now another recall for their automatic transmission models for their brakes. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a34191403/2020-ford-mustang-brake-recall/
It's not exactly "inspiring" when after something like 100 years making cars you can't get a decent manual transmission or you know - design and build breaks properly.
I hope I will fit the Mazda Miata. I see 6'1 folks enjoying them and I am a mere 5'11 ... so... Plus 35mpg simpler tires and shocks and engines that go for 400,000miles. plus it looks awesome (RF model anyway).
Scotty Kilmer is selling me on it!
Ricardo Montalban used to hawk those cars!
there's a skit on a Conception Corporation [might have been Second City] album where an imitator is hawking Carumba! cars with such lines as 'I want to sit and drink wine in it's rich Corinthian leather interior' a play on the original 'I want to sit and drink in it's rich wine colored Corinthian leather interior'
I guess you need to hear it to laugh at it, but laugh you will!
as far as the future of motoring ...
if Nostradamus didn't predict it don't worry about it
he was right about 'cycles' wasn't he? no really, wasn't he?
with regards,
Or maybe an Ibogaine addict.
Those famous quatrains? They were really a recipe for borscht. Erika Cheetham got it all wrong.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
that's some funny stuff right there ghost thanks for playing along!
'Nostradamus was a drunken old fart'
what handle does he post under here?
I think I know but ...
with regards,
neighboring states will sell more gas vehicles into CA as needed by the market demand
regards,
turning out just as well as their forest management policies
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First of all, I believe it is 2035, not 2025.
Now California has a different kind of demographics economically. they have a wider rage from poor to rich than anyone else for the general population.
The poor already can't afford to drive there, so they are not all that affected. The rich are probably already buying Teslas. I hear those things run the pants off anything else on the road, so people who can afford them want them without any mandate.
The people this will hurt are the middle class.
And this would not fly in any other state. Like Ohio, we already had a time when people were taking the plates off their cars to give the government a hard time.
horses to gas cars, it seems...
They can go through the pain and we can learn from it. Eventually, it will happen everywhere.
"Read in our local paper the other day. Should be easy to find info. "
Even easier if you'd cite your source. Heck, even just the name and date of your local paper would do the trick.
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NT
Hey, you're gonna get EVs whether you want them or not. Just about every other major country in the world has EV mandates. The car industry is global and none of the manufacturers are gonna make one car for ICE engines for the US and EVs for everybody else.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
Unless they can figure out a way to recharge an EV in less that 10 minutes, they are only good for daily commutes. With only a 200 mile range, you can't even drive from LA to Las Vegas without stopping to re-charge.
-Rod
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...in a Tesla.
That was 3 years ago.
From your linked article:"D'Souza and Hart managed the record through a combination of absolute discipline and a bit of luck. They explain to The Verge that they only stopped to eat once during the trip (they otherwise subsisted on snacks) and had to maintain a rigid nap schedule to keep driving around the clock. And of course, there's the not-so-small matter of optimizing the car's range and charging opportunities. They had to know when to ignore the car's stop-and-charge recommendations, and when they could afford to invoke air conditioning without using too much battery power."
Not my idea of a family vacation (holiday), and certainly not a business trip!
If I was "poor" and can't afford airline or train fare, I'd load up my $400 (four hundred) '65 Ford station wagon with my tool box, my bicycle, a blanket and two spare tires. (And some No-Doz.) Drive all day and night from Green Bay, WI to Los Angeles for the AES convention. Oh, wait, I DID that in about '75 - and I didn't have to buy a Tesla!
Edits: 09/25/20
nt
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Try driving the Alaska highway or even doing a lot of back road adventures. I like that ev vehicles are getting better though especially for local driving.
repair wise, it is why all the cabs in Seattle have Prius. Electrics don't seem to break as much or need the upkeep. Hopefully, after figuring out what the power plant did, they also reduced the CO2 emissions.
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