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In Reply to: RE: Kind of strange all this hand-wringing about really meaningless things, isn't it? What impacts Americans more, posted by tinear on June 29, 2020 at 08:12:48
Otherwise, they wouldn't be targets of the protest movement. It seems to me that both sides are getting all worked up over symbols more than substance.
I get that black people are frustrated and angry because they're still on the losing end of systemic inequality. Improvement has been coming at a snail's pace in some places and not at all in other places. But most of the energy expended in this protest movement has been directed at symbols and tokens. So guess what I'm expecting we'll get? Symbolic change and token gestures.
...and there you have it in a nutshell.
It has been over 30 days since all this BS started, yet NO ONE has come to the table with a focused plan or proposal--not even a coherent or cohesive list of "talking points". There has been nothing but propagation of CHAOS.
"most of the energy expended in this protest movement has been directed at symbols and tokens. So guess what I'm expecting we'll get? Symbolic change and token gestures"
And you're absolutely correct!
"Give me an issue, I'll give you a tissue...and wipe my ass with it."--Lou Reed~Take No Prisoners (live in NYC, 1978)
I shared this story before but I think it is instructive.
We had a fair number of technicians on the high tech manufacturing lines, one in particular that helped me with a computer issue, shared his story with me. I've never forgotten it because I was so surprised by it.
He got really good with computers and computer machine control and we hired him. He was a great asset to our manufacturing lines. I asked him how he got so good at it. Basically he wanted to be able to earn money and buy nice things. Novel concept. When he took the job and started earning good money, his friends and some of his family disowned him. He told me they called him an Uncle Tom and he was working for "da Man". The pressure was for him to quit and become dependent on government handouts, like they were. There was a lot of crime in this neighborhood and at one time it was known as the crack capital of our area. Tony refused and ended up leaving his home neighborhood, buying a home in a nice part of town.
The point is, there is pressure on these potentially upwardly mobile black youths to not participate in meaningful work. Thankfully, Tony made the right choice and is doing very well because of it.
Why is there this cultural push to not work for the white man and stay dependent on government handouts? It doesn't make any sense.
'He told me' .... really Dave? this guy just opened up to you and said everything you expected him to say? almost like he was scripted? and in such rich detail ... amazing.
perhaps he was manipulating you with the calculation that word would get back to management on what a 'magical negro' they had on their hands looking to cash in on your wide eyed naiveté. surely with the distance of years and experience you can look back and see this might be the likeliest explanation for what would otherwise be very strange behavior from a nearly total stranger.
Why is there this cultural push by the white man to delegitimize the efforts of black youth to become upwardly mobile?
We were a close knit group, working a lot of hours together.
Tony assured me it was real and he had to break out of it because it was toxic.
Why is this happening in black America culture? Why do they shun their own when they work a good job and become successful?
replace 'they' in your last sentence with 'Tony' & you won't be so confused
I don't care how much you knit together
you were still being played like a fiddle
I was going to say 'violin' but I know you're just not that into classical
Nah! You're full of crap.
It's cultural and real. I trust Tony.
need more rosin Dave?
you're sounding a little squeaky
Here is a novel idea for the disadvantaged protesters.
Go to school. Pay attention and learn, then find a way to earn $$$ like a job or start a business.
Working full-time will leave you too tired for protests, rioting, looting and defacing historical monuments.
Stop being a crybaby and making excuses about not having a good life.
'Pay attention and learn'
here's a novel idea for you ... take your own advice
Our black CEO is having us undergo diversity training.
They will pay me. I will sit and listen to their rhetoric.
Ultimately, it will make no difference.
The job will get done by middle aged white men as usual.
Nothing will change from all the pissing and moaning from the leftists.
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