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In Reply to: RE: 1:35 / 3:36 A Time Lapse Map of Every Nuclear Explosion Since 1945 by Isao Hashimoto posted by Tweaker456 on April 15, 2017 at 18:00:05
Thank you for exposing the limits to your (I thought) Limitless Expertiese on nearly any subject:
Sun Cured Tobacco, which is not used (generally) for US Tobacco products produces a leaf with LOWER Nicotine Content. This would appear to be for the good, but what do I know?
Here is a link to the Non-Judgemental WIKI on the subject, showing several cure methods of which ONE is predominant in the States.
I was wondering if anyone (besides #456) knew of any studies on the subject. The lower nicotine content of Sun Cured might be a 'red herring' as much other chemistry is involved.
#456? Why don't you drop the magnetic nonsense? You'll not change my mind about something for which NO real evidence exists or proof, other than than what you think, after a good pizza session with Bullethead. You're the ONLY one with any heartburn given my unwillingness to accept paramagnetic properties of Aluminum as 'evidence', or maybe, the fictional 'magnetic' stuff in the INK used to print the CD label.
If Demagnetization were so important, why don't people do it to their Disc Drives?
Too much is never enough
Follow Ups:
"#456? Why don't you drop the magnetic nonsense? You'll not change my mind about something for which NO real evidence exists or proof" Nonsense? No evidence? Now PG once again you give me the opportunity to condescend to an inferior intellect and I would like to thank you for this opportunity. Have you ever dug the blade of a knife into your finger by accident and have your finger bleed and or hurt? Have you ever watched the sun "rise" or "set"? Ever heard the difference between two different types of speakers? Ever looked at the evidence for extra terrestrial beings visiting Earth? Ever heard the difference between different capacitors, resistors, wire... Ever actually tried using a demagnetizer on a cd like many people have other than I who have perceived a positive effect? Noooooooo
"The Borg is the ultimate user. They're unlike any threat your Federation has ever faced."
- Q, 2365
It is all in the level of proof you are willing to accept.
This is speaking in a strictly legal manner.
For different crimes or accusations, different levels of proof are accepted.
Maybe ranging from Credible Evidence to Beyond a Reasonable Doubt.
For myself, I'd really like some kind of Reason beyond 'voodoo' or 'I heard it' /
I find more convincing reasoning behind Schumann Resonance effects.
Too much is never enough
So you don't trust your own ears PG? If so how on earth do you pick your equipment? Hey, don't all amps sound the same? There are people who believe that they do. After all if you put a sign wave through most amps it will look the same, right? This is audio we are talking about not crime... Well I know you don't trust my ears, or Geoff's, or Jon Risch's, or 1973shovel's, or jea48's all of which are given to hallucinatin' of course. Not to mention the unknown hords of others who perceive improvement from demagnetizing cds. It would seem to me logical to look at the evidence for an effect on sound, since we are talking about evidence. You refuse to do that. T456
"The Borg is the ultimate user. They're unlike any threat your Federation has ever faced."
- Q, 2365
In the Real World, effect generally follows cause.
Now? If demag of a CD has an effect, (effect) what is the cause? I need a plausible theory other than micro spin dynamics of 3-space non-ionic neutrino induced emissions.
I approach stuff like this in a legalistic way. No apologies. For there to be an effect, there must be a cause. And such cause, if a little off-kilter from a traditional physics or whatever standpoint, can be evaluated on an evidenciary basis. Not Anecdotal.
To belittle someone who won't 'fall into line' is both unprofessional and verging on bullying. Do I respect the persons you note? Sure. No heartburn whatsoever. I am allowed my own belief system.
Ever see the movie Rashomon? Kurosawa in good form. A crime is committed. But every witness has a different story.
I'm MUCH more onboard with Schumann Resonance.
Too much is never enough
PG, why and how are we here? How did the universe come about? What is the cause of our existence? Ha? Got a "legalistic" explanation for this? Do you have a "legalistic" cause and effect how ET gets here when, as far as I'm told by a physicists, it's not possible? Your paradigm is substantially nonsense IMO. Anecdotal is a type of evidence. If I take a hammer to your big toe and you feel pain is that not evidence? Was it not evidence 100000 years ago before modern science knew about nerves...?? Ha?
"The Borg is the ultimate user. They're unlike any threat your Federation has ever faced."
- Q, 2365
Levels of Proof.As for ET being here?
IF ET IS here, than interstellar travel is both fairly easy and (culturally) fairly inexpensive.
IF such travel were either extremely difficult or culturally expensive, than it wouldn't happen.
Or happen so infrequently as to make the chances of US being visited fairly remote, except in the case of our RF emissions having been detected. Current radius is maybe 110 light years.It is just possible we have missed something fundamental in physics.
Someone was beefing about amplifier sounding different from one another? This one is fairly easy.First, Unclipped amps CAN sound remarkably similar. But, speakers are NOT resistors and amps differ substantiallly in the ability to drive such reactive loads. This can be tested.
The ultimate example would be the early Scintillas. Some amps couldn't, others could and are regarded as 'bulletproof'. Go forward to some 'Stats or maybe some speakers with huge bass phase angles at impedance minima. Try an incapable amp on either of Those loads and you'll hear stuff you wish you hadn't.
Too much is never enough
Edits: 04/16/17
"It is just possible we have missed something fundamental in physics." PG. That could be said about the reason demagnetizing works. Good point.Me likes it. My fundamental point is that to look for or need a cause for something to believe that it exists is beyond infantile and irrational. Oh PG, you forgot to tell us all what the cause of our existence is. I assume you believe we exist? What is the cause? Does you believe without a cause?
"The Borg is the ultimate user. They're unlike any threat your Federation has ever faced."
- Q, 2365
Nobody has proven ETs to exist, at least in our immediate neighborhood. Odds are nearly 100% that life exists elsewhere and about 99% that INTELLIGENT life exists elsewhere. It might be found that Intelligence (such as it is) is a necessary end to the evolution (not Darwinian sense) of life.
The next question is 'Are Humans Intelligent?' What are the chances for Long-Term survival as a technological species?
IF they are here, certain conclusions can be drawn about both the possibility AND actual ease / cost of interstellar travel.
If it's cheap and easy, no reason NOT to go nearly anywhere of interest. If it is possible AND very difficult / expensive, you must choose where to go carefully. Casual drop-ins are less likely.
If an actual, living breathing ET is presented and confirmed, than it's 'back to the drawing board' on a lot of levels.
Society and societal costs will factor into IF you do it, once it is found Possible.
If you believe the Universe is, for all practical purposes, Infinite, than anything that CAN happen eventually WILL. And has had maybe 13 Billion years in which to 'do' it.
Believing that cause and effect is 'infantile' is to ignore the fact that cause and effect rules. Even in the creation of life. If you are religious, God may be taken as 'first cause'.
Believing in effect without cause is a form of mysticism.
If we HAVE missed something fundamental in physics, which is theoretically possible, than a lot of stuff is back ON THE TABLE that was previously thought impossible. Magnetic Monopoles may have some practical uses!
I'd buy a Magnetic Monopole CD Treatment Engine in a metric heartbeat.
Too much is never enough
I was at CERN in Geneva last summer, home of the LHC (Large Hadron Collider), Atlas, ALICE, and numerous exploratory experiments.The physicists who talked to our group seemed to know what they're doing, and study minute details of sub-atomic particle behavior.
Given their work, compared to T456's complete lack of evidence regarding demagnetizing tobacco (while still being "quite certain"), I have to think that T456 is full of shit, at least until he can give us a reason to think otherwise.
Edit: Ya know, maybe T456 is just goofin' with ya and doesn't believe any of the stuff in his posts. I mean, seriously, isn't "sign wave" a dead give-away?
:)
Edits: 04/17/17 04/17/17
'Evidence' of ET presented in next post by #456.
consists mainly of 2 hours of anecdotal evidence. Fun Video, though.
For most persons to come around to believing ET is here, they'd have to see a very high standard of evidence. I'd say 'beyond a reasonable doubt'. Maybe even a body. Or wreckage we can't amke here.
#456 is so much smarter than everyone lese, we should simply take his word for 'it'.
Too much is never enough
Multiple eye witnesses with radar corroboration is not good enough? Is radar anacdotal? My word for it? Are you kidding me? Astronaut after astronaut after astronaut saying they see or have seen ET craft, risking their reputation after qualifying for their profession and risking their lives in one if not the most dangerous job there is ain't good enough? Over 500 testimonials in the Disclosure Project, many military officers and intelligence people. Well PG, I suggest you go through life blindfolded since you think eyesight is of so little use. No need for you to see, no need for you to listen. Def dumb and blind. Of what use are the senses in observing reality anyhow. Right?
"The Borg is the ultimate user. They're unlike any threat your Federation has ever faced."
- Q, 2365
Edits: 04/17/17
And don't forget Project Blue Book.
Hundreds of unexplained sightings and many that were explained but in such a ludicrous manner as to be laughable.
Now? What holes in modern physics permit such travel? THAT'S the real problem.
The FIRST book I ever bought, when I was in 6th grade?
'Flying Saucers Have Landed'. Desmond Leslie and George Adamski (early contactee)
Too much is never enough
I still want to see his evidence for being "quite certain" about demagnetizing tobacco leaves. THEN, it might be interesting to move on to another topic.:)
Edits: 04/17/17
I'm thinking #456 was just havin his version of fun with my lack of unconditional belief in demagetizing CDs.
Too much is never enough
Once again PG you spew anti intellectual non sense. It's not, as you state ,me making fun of your lack of unconditional belief in demagnetizing cd's. NOTHING could be further from the truth. Why oh why would I expect or even want anyone to believe in almost anything unconditionally. You will not try it to see for yourself if it is of sonic benefit because you can't see a priori any cause. One again, there are many things you believe in that you can't see a cause for, like existence it'self... When you were a little boy and pointed to a bird and said daddy daddy why does a bird fly, you could see the bird fly before you knew why. I myself still don't know the ultimate cause of birds flying. Believing I think someone should unconditionally believe and believing I was serious about demagnetizing tobacco could be construed as a form of brain damage. It's this kind of brain damage I was put on earth for to debunk. The cause of my existence.
Warm regards,T456
"The Borg is the ultimate user. They're unlike any threat your Federation has ever faced."
- Q, 2365
I find it a real sign of the times that asking for a cause and effect realtionship is now 'spewing antiintellectual nonsense'.
That was at one time called the Scientific Method.
The sequence of events would be something like 'Hey! I noticed something I can't account for'.
Maybe the change in sound of a CD?
The question 'why?' than becomes the drive behind finding the Cause.
Investigations are done. Theory proposed and modeled. You know, METHOD?
Now, with the low level of proof now proposed, it is time for a real investigation as to WHY some persons note the effect. Find a cause.
I was no more serious about Drain Bamage than you about demagnetizing Tobacco. Yet you felt compelled to note my 'misspelling'!
Let's say proof were presented of Aliens in our Solar System. A base on one of the moons of Jupiter? Or a moon of Mars? Big flashing sign on OUR moon. Doesn't matter.
The REAL question than becomes HOW did they get here. My opinion is that they would Lie Low and try to be minimally intrusive. Steven Hawkings is wary of Alien Contact. And for good reason. Humans are very primitive, tribal creatures. We'd likely as not, go into somekind of meltdown situation or conflict of some sort. We simply are NOT ready for such contact.
As for existence? I don't believe in it. We (what we call 'reality') are really a simulation running in a Really Big Uber Super Computer.
Too much is never enough
" I find it a real sign of the times that asking for a cause and effect relationship is now 'spewing anti-intellectual nonsense'." It does seem we speak a completely different language. It's not asking for a cause and effect relationship that is anti intellectual nonsense, it's asking for it before you are willing to believe something or anything, and in some cases without easily obtained first hand experience. Like man, do you really think that I am so stupid as to think looking for cause and effect is not a valid pursuit?
"The Borg is the ultimate user. They're unlike any threat your Federation has ever faced."
- Q, 2365
To be perfectly honest, I don't know.
You do not always act like you believe in cause and effect.
Nobody completely stupid or rational could write a reasonable sentence, like you do.
Human belief systems are not always rational. Like VooDoo or maybe thinking that Harry Potter books are really Historical Fiction. Or maybe 'I'm from the government and are here to help'.
Have you heard something you consider 'real' in every sense of the word? Doubtless.
Consider other reasons for so thinking. They are available to the inquiring mind.
We are at an Impasse. I ask 'why should this happen?' I'd like a plausible theory dealing with magnetic effects in non and Paramagnetic materials. And than toss in the interaction with the macro phenom of reading bumps on such a rotating disc.
I don't think that's TOO much to ask.
Too much is never enough
Well, ya could just try it and see if it improves the sound for you. Oh, I've said that before. I guess we are at an impasse.I apologize PG for not providing you with a perfect world. If I had made it easy wouldn't you find it too boring? Nighty night and sleep tight. Look under your pillow when you wake up. The creator has a master plan, peace and happiness throughout the land.
"The Borg is the ultimate user. They're unlike any threat your Federation has ever faced."
- Q, 2365
Edits: 04/19/17
I find it a real sign of the times that asking for a cause and effect realtionship is now 'spewing antiintellectual nonsense'.
That was at one time called the Scientific Method.
The sequence of events would be something like 'Hey! I noticed something I can't account for'.
Maybe the change in sound of a CD?
The question 'why?' than becomes the drive behind finding the Cause.
Investigations are done. Theory proposed and modeled. You know, METHOD?
Now, with the low level of proof now proposed, it is time for a real investigation as to WHY some persons note the effect. Find a cause.
I was no more serious about Drain Bamage than you about demagnetizing Tobacco. Yet you felt compelled to note my 'misspelling'!
Let's say proof were presented of Aliens in our Solar System. A base on one of the moons of Jupiter? Or a moon of Mars? Big flashing sign on OUR moon. Doesn't matter.
The REAL question than becomes HOW did they get here. My opinion is that they would Lie Low and try to be minimally intrusive. Steven Hawkings is wary of Alien Contact. And for good reason. Humans are very primitive, tribal creatures. We'd likely as not, go into somekind of meltdown situation or conflict of some sort. We simply are NOT ready for such contact.
Too much is never enough
Yeah, I read that post. I think he's just goofin' with ya. It's just as likely that these decades-old video interviews are professional thoughts about the inaccuracies of the "space travel aspects" of the Star Trek series/movies/Battlestar Galactica/Star Wars/etc. science fiction stuff. ("Dr. Smith, what did you think about the scene where the object...") There is ZERO evidence (not to be confused with "overwhelming evidence") that they're talking about real events, not to forget that, of all these supposed events, the pretend documentary doesn't provide even ONE snippet of actual data or video.
Reminds of the books and "documentaries" about UFOs from back in the 50's and 60's!
Oh, hey, did you happen to see the episode of the TV show "Frasier" when they had John Glenn on? That was hilarious!
:)
I just got done watching 'Mountain Monsters'.
Man, who'd a thunk we had stuff like that running around Appalachia?
Too much is never enough
So many misstatements in one post and so little time PG. I'll start with this one.
"The Borg is the ultimate user. They're unlike any threat your Federation has ever faced."
- Q, 2365
Edits: 04/16/17
PG, T456 has SO many questions for you! ;)
I only have THREE questions for him:
1. Where is the evidence which leads him to say "I'm quite certain it is much less carcinogenic if subjected to a demagnetizing field"?
2. Why doesn't he reference a medical study regarding that?
3. Why does he keep bringing up extraneous questions which are irrelevant?
Oh, one more: "Sign wave". LOL Was he joshin' us? THAT was funny. Ranks right up there with "base" and "impedence", as used by people who purport to be well-versed in audio.
:)
"if you put a sign wave through most amps it will look the same, right?"I've seen a sign wave. Don't know if it was waving at me, or if it was just the 50 mph wind playing tricks on my brain.
"I'm quite certain it is much less carcinogenic if subjected to a demagnetizing field "
It would have been nice if he could stay on the topic of demagnetizing tobacco. But, that's what some people do when they're losing a debate - change the topic.
;)
Edits: 04/16/17
NOBODY has addressed my initial question about differing CURES for Tobacco.
That is both measurable AND apparently makes a difference ot the final product.
Differing cures produce differing amounts of Nicotine yield.
Now? Nicotine is not the primary cancer producer, there being thousands of compounds in tobacco, so it may make no difference except to the addictive potential which IS apprently related to the amount of nicotine in tobac.
Demagnetize Tobacco? Let's see the study, research or measurables. Even a proposal following reasonable method would be a start.
This is a last resort type arguement. Can't come up with a good reason? Attack or demean the purveyor of the question or data you don't like. All the anecdotal evidence in the world pales against real, measureable and repeatable data.
Too much is never enough
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