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In Reply to: RE: I would definitely hit the woman illegally crossing the road posted by srdavis2000 on March 26, 2017 at 08:53:24
I think the "average" person would swerve hard right, WITHOUT knowing the cliff was the wrong choice. And drive right over the edge AS they realize "SHIT!! I drove off a cliff!!"
It would take a smart person fully 'awake' to make the correct choice and not kill themselves, but just run the woman down.
"awake' means actually driving. Not blabbing to the passenger, or on the phone, or not daydreaming, or sight seeing.. But seeing a car coming the the way, and knowing they were on the edge of a cliff.
Most of the panic braking is taken up by time to realize one needs to stop. For a person paying attention, this time is way less than for the person not paying attention.
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Your logic is excellent even if your math is different.
The primary difference between AI and human decision making is self preservation. The average person will not weigh injury on others versus themselves when making a forced decision with little or no time to consider all the consequences.
I was also thinking the same thing about the quick move to the right and off the cliff when folks are distracted. How many people drive into ditches avoiding a dog or cat? I'll bet that it's not uncommon.
It also reminds me of driving on a 2 lane highway in Idaho. While cruising at the normal speed of the locals, 80 mph, I noticed a deer on the side of the road in the distance, just standing there. My first thought was that this animal would bolt across the road as I lifted my foot off the accelerator and naturally slowed to 50-60 mph as I closed in on the deer. And of course, as I got closer, the fool bolted across the road. Had I not slowed a bit, I would have hit him or veered off the road.
One more hypothetical also crossed mind. Your choice to hit the woman and baby is correct assuming that self preservation is number one. Does that decision change depending on the obstacle? What if that woman was your wife or daughter versus an old homeless woman?
-Rod
VS say my daughter is someone like Melania Trump? I would not kill her, I would drive off the cliff (her live is way more than mine, and I am old.). Or like Chelsea Clinton? same end.. off the cliff.
Say my daughter was a druggie prostitute who just got out of jail on bail for killing her dope addict/pimp husband and two children..(but she says she does not even remember what happened, even though she was covered with about a gallon of blood, and the gun was in her hands.) While she was high on six different illegal drugs. The newborn addict baby was the dope dealers..? I would run her over.. no problem. (though the police might think I arranged it on purpose.. So it would be difficult no matter what. DAs love to put folks in jail for even remotely possible scenarios..
(So lucky lucky I have no doper prostitute daughter I want dead. LOL)
As the person in the road who is in the moral dilemma is unknown. I return to the notion the person on the road is responsible for herself. Period. When she decided to be in the roadway, that is her deal. Not mine. And as I wrote, she may even be trying to commit suicide. Why would I kill myself to save some fool to stupid to not be standing in the middle of the road?
I certainly would try to stop. and would be perfectly wiling to ruin my tires trying to stop.
As for the so called baby. (since in the split second I have to choose?) I would not assume it was a baby. It could be a doll, or an animal, or a stuff toy. But first of all the child is HER responsibility, not mine.
If she wants to carry her baby out into danger, that is on her. not me.
I do not believe in any nanny state. If someone else wants to save the World at their own expense? Not my problem. The nanny folk are total fucking idiots IMO.
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