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In Reply to: posted by on December , at :
A few items, such as those that are not part of the stereo system circuits and are much too small to affect room acouctics do not have to be tested at all because intelligent people have MUCH BETTER THINGS TO TEST!Anyone who thinks a small clock affects the sound is easily fooled.
Anyone who would waste their time testing a small clock has a lot of time to waste.
Anyone who buys a small clock thinking it will improve the sound of his stereo is an idiot.
Anyone who wastes his time posting about a clock is approaching idiot status ... but not quite there yet.
If this was a Cartier clock it would be another story.
But a TIMEX?
A Mid-fi (and I'm being generous) clock for losers.
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Richard BassNut Greene
Subjective Audiophile 2007
Follow Ups:
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> Anyone who would waste their time testing a small clock has a lot of time to waste. <...and it did nothing... how would they ever know how much time they wasted? Or how much they had to waste?
Whoa - heavy!
Dont give them any ideas next thing you know a hi-end Cartier version will be out.
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You find the proof in the same place as where you find the proof that it worked.
You find the proof in the same place as where you find the proof that it worked.
And you'll find that bit of fallacy in the trash, filed under appeal to ignorance .
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I haven't seen any proof one way or the other.se
And that's all I was saying.
And that's all I was saying.
Ah, ok. It seemed at first blush that you were saying that the proof that it did nothing stemmed from the lack of proof that it did something, rather than saying there was no proof either way.
Thanks. My bad.
se
"Similarly, the burden of proof is usually on a person making a new or improbable claim, and the presumption may be that such a claim is false. For instance, suppose that I claim that I was taken by flying saucer to another planet, but when challenged I can supply no evidence of this unusual trip. It would not be an Appeal to Ignorance for you to reason that, since there is no evidence that I visited another planet, therefore I probably didn't do so."Welcome to planet Machina Dynamica.
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where can we find proof that it did something???????????You have to prove that it does or did something !!!!!!!!!!
not vice versa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
...Pearls Before Sw*ne.clark
...isn't the statement "The Tice Clock did nothing" in itself a testable claim that the claimant must prove before stating it? At least they have to prove it around here! Hell, I don't even say that oranges are different from apples around here unless I've tested it 6 ways from sunday.Gotta be careful throwing those claims around! :)
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I'm comin' to get you all by myself.Where do you live?
If you don't tell me, I'll just ask around and find out who audio salesmen think is their most gullible customer in America.
That would be you.
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Richard BassNut Greene
Subjective Audiophile 2007
...is that any reason to get personal? "...their most gullible customer in America. That would be you."Guess it is, if one lacks even the slightest basis on which to rest his case, when one is disposed to be defensive about it.
clark
Any audibility claim Clark agrees with = needs no proofProof of audibility is never needed for subjective auditions.
If any objective audibility tests are done, they are never good enough ... unless Clark likes the results = then their methodology is "perfect"!
You're bias is showing.
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Richard BassNut Greene
Subjective Audiophile 2007
Where do I find proof of any doubt expressed in any of your posts about the "everything makes a difference" wacko theory of audio, where no claim is ever too bizarre, and no claim is ever questioned?I don't.
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Richard BassNut Greene
Subjective Audiophile 2007
Real easy to read this as saying the clock could/would work, but that it doesn't because it's a Timex and that an EXPENSIVE clock (Cartier) would/could "work".So now, instead of ranting that: "...such as those that are not part of the stereo system circuits and are much too small to affect room acouctics do not have to be tested at all because intelligent people have MUCH BETTER THINGS TO TEST!", you're contradicting yourself.
Makes one wonder whether you're:
A. Not clear on what being a "subjective audiophile 2007" entails. This would be understandable since you're fresh out of the box with this one and obviously not yet broken in. Than again, your 2007 may be based on the Chinese Lunar calendar, and you are actually still a "pre-subjective audiophile 2007". Which means your're still itchin' for measurements...
B. Your sense of humour has failed you. I'll restrain myself from adding "yet again".
C. You're an equipment "snob", i.e. certain products won't/don't work because they don't have the right status symbol name.What anyone decides to test with their own time, intelligent or less than, is their own concern. Take me for example, responding to another of your posts when I could be testing, uh, tasting the new brand of coffee that awaits! It's one you probably haven't heard of, so thusly won't "work"...
"I always play jazz records backwards, they sound better that way"
-Thomas Edison
The Clever Clock is a joke.My remark about the Cartier clock was also a joke.
Maybe you didn't get the joke, so it should be called a "failed joke", like when I say to a friend: "Now you take my wife ... PLEASE!" ... and he doesn't laugh because my wife is standing right behind me ready to hit me upside the head.
And I thought that was funny too.
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Richard BassNut Greene
Subjective Audiophile 2007
Wellfed still believes in Santa & the Tooth Fairy.
A conversation between my father and I back around...oh, 1963 or so:Father: Let's make sure we put the tooth you just lost under the pillow so the Tooth Fairy will bring you some money.
Me: Geez Dad, I don't believe in the Tooth Fairy!
Father: Do you no longer believe in money???I've never forgotten the point. :)
George was dismissed by the press when he released the Tice Clock. 90% of George problems with the press wasn't the quality of his products, but rather his attitude. Those who know George knew he was a little stuck on himself, whereas Fran was put out there to be the voice of the business.The Tice Clock should be considered the first audiophile parallel filter. What George found, but refused to tell people, was he discovered small appliances leak...how about those apples....and sometimes that leakage can have positive effects. The Tice Clock, better known as a everyday alarm clock for that time, leaked using a simple pulse. In digital clock design the pulse is used to count the seconds. Many who have seen the Tice Clock noticed George added the P&S ac plug. We could argue he did it to boost the price of the alarm clock....but what George did not tell you is that he would switch the wiring around at the ac plug to enhance that magnetic build up created by the pulse. Instead of the pulse leaking on the neutral it was now leaking (pulsing) on the hot causing a magnetic build up, or enhanced bass / lower midrange effect.
Alan
using similar technology include Euphonic Technology (now defunct, and formerly based out of Iowa, IIRC). They were the original discoverer of the effect, and it came as an off shoot of some research to lower EMF fields off of computer monitors. Amanda Toulon was head of that company, and I believe her ex husband discovered the effect.
Currently Quantum uses similar technology in their products.
In essence the products are dithering the AC, helping lowering the random noise patterns present, making it easier for the PS filtering in most products to eliminate it.I still use my EAU and Quantum products and their removal is extremely noticeable, although I do supplement their use with other PLC's also.
Stu
> . We could argue he did it to boost the price of the alarm clock....Wasn't it like $295? A bit much for a fancy power cord, no? Maybe if he sold them for the cost of the alarm clock + the cost of the cord + 10%, people would have been a bit less incredulous. What was that whole TPT treatment, anyways?
> but what George did not tell you is that he would switch the wiring around at the ac plug to enhance that magnetic build up created by the pulse
Wouldn't that be an electrical hazard? It sure wouldn't pass UL testing.
/*Music is subjective. Sound is not.*/
the explanation of how the clock worked or works is the biggest bunch of flim-flam I have ever heard. You're full of it my friend!
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