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In Reply to: RE: What others to research...Devore, Tannoy, ATC.... posted by RGA on March 08, 2017 at 23:08:21
Thanks for the detailed notes on AN Speaker.
As I replied to another inmate, there is an AN dealer in the area I plan to check out. Hearing AN at shows was just ok, so getting to a dealer will give me a better idea if my cup of tea of not.
Are AN speakers still recommended to be in the corners or close to walls? Or has that changed and placement is more forgiving?
Here's the issue - if you put them in a corner the corner has to be a solid wall. Concrete or brick or you have to use a diffuser as in the link below. If your home is like most hotels which uses plaster (at shows very cheap vibrating walls) you will get proounced room boom. The walls sing along with the music. It's why Wes Philips of Stereophile and numerous other love AN speakers at shows like CES where the speakers were set up at the Flamingo - a concrete hotel and why they seem to do merely ok at shows where the walls are flimsy. But even in this Wes Philips article you can see the speakers are out from the walls and yet read his last two paragraphs.
In these wooden structures - it makes sense to pull them out into the room. Here in Hong Kong - AN's biggest selling dealer - they have to have the speakers well out into the room and they sound great - just not "as" great as they would if they had good corner placement.
So if you have a wood home - I would simply use the "made" corners.
Lastly, if you ever listen to them at a show - play your own music. Unlike other exhibitors Audio Note plays music they like - not 6 elite recordings on continuous rotation over an entire show of music that makes the speaker sound good. Heck Magnepan chose wimpy recordings at low volume and no one gets to control the music or the level. Some rooms only play gentle female singers at a piano (Diana Krall and Norah Jones on continuous repeat). That's not the case with Audio Note who will play compressed pop to scratchy 30s recordings to Slipknott at stupid levels.
Of course now that I say that the video is of soft music - but there are copyright issues for these video reviewers so AC/DC is a no go.
My other suggestions though are still valid - not everyone is going to like the AN E - the dynamic ease of large horns may be far more attractive to your ears. I have heard the AN E sound very average at shows so I get where people come from when that's what they hear. It's like YG Acoustics which stunk at one show and then at another I felt they were one of the four best! So if a speaker can go from near worst to near best it pens your eyes. Hopefully your nearby dealer can demonstrate them well for you. And perhaps they have a good alternate if it doesn't go well.
Remember also that down the road your taste could change and you may like lower powered 300B or 2a3 amps better than the 845. If that happens then you have may have painted yourself into a corner with an ATC or Tannoy. 24 watts of SET and great LM iron can probably drive those but 7 watts of 300b won't.
Clearly that's something you read about... NOT actually tried.
Real life differs from Mag Reviews.
PS: Tannoys work Just Fine.
These are from Tannoy owners who claim their speakers needed more power. It's the same for the Reference 3a MM Dr Capo which aren't as easy to drive as claimed. But hey I always say try for yourself. Not everyone has the same volume bass requirements or the same room sizes. Some SET amps are also rather more powerful than others with the same watt rating.
Well , if one has a "wood house" its probably best to use regular 91db AN-e. The high efficiency version I would only use in fairly small , concrete built listening rooms. Otherwise you can kiss the Bass good bye. There is simply no free lunch. You either sacrifice size , efficiency or bass. Thankfully the OP has concrete basement so he is good to go with many "small" speakers .
I think hotel rooms used for audio shows have better acoustics than typical American cardboard house. In hotels , floor and ceiling are concrete slabs and commercial code requires thicker drywall/plaster for wall construction.
It's kind of ironic that so much of Euro speaker crap is sold on American market . For the interiors with totally different acoustics than those speakers were designed to work in.
My listening room is paneled with one wall of cinderblocks with rebar inside. I use Ikea record shelves filled with records as a diffusor and it work quite well. I get a lot more base gain than in a regular wood and sheetrock room, so the subwoofer is set low in relation to the main speakers.
From his writing, I get the impression that Peter Qvortrup has excellent taste in classical music. I'd like to hear some of his record collection even more that his equipment.
I was once invited around to Peter's for a demo, as local dealers in Sussex didn't have items on hand. His collection of music is, frankly, amazing. There's no mistaking his dedication to the cause and his support of high quality music reproduction in the home. Nice cup of tea, too.
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