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In Reply to: RE: Thanks. How different are the Emilar horns (really) than 811Bs? posted by Joe Roberts on October 02, 2016 at 17:13:32
here's a cheap Selenium D250 Trio on a 511b - clean as a whistle on a ~500Hz sine - spl maybe around 100dB back 3-4 feet - loud enough to notice
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Free your mind and your ass will follow -- Parliament/Funkadelic
For what it's worth, I'm on team Joe when it comes to 811's and 511's. Tried 'em, many times, and just couldn't love 'em. If you can find 32's, they're much better, but don't cross them too low. I have had a few pairs of those bent horns through here and really liked the sound. Kind of wish I hadn't sold the last pair, but oh well.
I have a pair of late Lansing H-808 tar-filled multicell horns that I'm using these days. Love them more than the 32's, though I could live with either. Woofers are 414A's in just over 5 cu ft. Kind of like a 12" version of a Lansing Iconic.
For "small" Altec, my suggestion for the best you can do would be the JE Labs Altec 2-way (latest version with 32B horns). You could probably mess with the crossover, if you were so inclined, to squeeze a little more music out of them, but that's a pretty darn nice place to start. MUCH better than anything with an 806 + 811 horn, IME. Would work great with any amp from a SET 71A up to a 300B, unless you have a huge room or listen crazy loud.
"Woofers are 414A's in just over 5 cu ft."
How did you tune this enclosure? I'm working on something similar but still deciding on cabinet volume and tuning.
Thanks,
Randy
mine are built from the plans in the link. you can modify the internal volume by adding material to the interior of the cabinet, and you'll need to cut a different 'sub panel' for the 414 vs the 15 inch speaker the cabinet was designed for.
Actually, I didn't tune them at all, per se. They're a version of the Altec 612 cabinet built to mimic the Lansing Iconic enclosure. They're a little smaller than the later versions of the 612, and, while I liked the sound of Altec 416A's in them, I liked the 414A sound better. Not as much bass, of course, but much better mids and integration with the horn.
Doing some quick calculations, it seems the boxes are tuned to about 32Hz, but I may still mess with that. Easy enough to do--just cut another baffle with different size port--but for now I'm happy to listen.
Thanks! Do you have a link to the cabinet design? I can only find the standard 612 and the 614. It would appear that 4-5 cu ft seems to be the sweet spot for 414's. I suppose that I could simply wing it and tune it to 40 hz with a simple port.
Steve,
Whew! Glad you showed up, Man. I was feeling outnumbered...not that this ever stopped me before! Hahaha.
H-808s are indeed excellent but stupid rare. If I want to start naming rare horns that are better than 511s, I could go on for a while. But where does this get us?
Unfortunately I don't have the answer on currently available 1" horns but I imagine there must be something decent out there that you don't have to outbid Asian and German collectors to obtain.
Even plastic 32Cs are drying up.
The supply of 511s will outlast Keith Richards and the cockroach.
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Free your mind and your ass will follow -- Parliament/Funkadelic
No problem, Joe--I got your back when it comes to 811's and 511's.
Didn't mention the H-808's as a suggestion for the OP, only to illustrate the 414A + 802/horn combo as a viable, small Altec system with most of the "magic" of the best larger Altec systems.
When it comes to current production horns, I'm of no use at all, having never tried or heard any of them, AFAIK.
Another suggestion that occurred to me today is the 601 Duplex and/or the Seville. Both have the 414 plus 3000 series tweeter. They show up from time to time on that auction site. Run the 414 full range, and bring the 3000 in around 4-5kHz (12dB/octave). Ditch the original crossovers and the horrid ugly cabinets. Put them in something like a 614 cabinet. Very reasonable size, very nice sound. If you stumble into some of the nicer vintage Altec horns later, you can always add them into the mix if you like.
Nah, you're not outnumbered -- and I won't stick up much for the 511B in particular. As a guy who owned and lived with (had my brainpan soucred by the midrange from) a pair of Klipsch Cornwalls for a decade, though -- it's hard for me to feel too bad about the 811B!
And DO note that, although there are still pairs of 511B and 811B here, I ain't using either on a regular basis.
The OP was looking for inexpensive (I think?!) sensitive fun for low/fleapowered amplifiers.
Would you really rather listen to a LaScala or a Heresy midrange? Aiyee.
;-)
all the best,
mrh
I don't do Klipsch.
But I quietly suspect Klipsch was kicking back listening to that WE gear he had and producing Klipsch for the mullets!
I see that in the early articles about the Klipsch midrange horn, he was using a nice WE 713 driver not one of those shitty Atlas units! ;op
And he was probably drinking Old Grand Dad bottled in bond and smokin Cubans, not half gallons of Cabin Still on sale and floor sweepins cigarillos.
As for cheap fun, we all know that buying 9 different cheap fun speakers gets expensive. Better to pick out a good one at the start. Unless, perhaps, if one could hear the Valencia or whatever and liked it enough to venture forth.
Gilmorneau is spot on with the JE Labs 414/32 recommendation. Not as easy as it used to be to get the parts but still one of the best moderate solutions.
I didn't take part in the great Econowave experiment but some of the parts uncovered in that sort of experimentation may have some merit.
I heard some Volti Audio horns sounding real good at the recent DC Audiofest. He's using some plastic pro horn that worked great. Deja Vu had a modern plastic horn with some unspecified vintage Japan driver....also great. They are out there but I just don't know what they are.
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Free your mind and your ass will follow -- Parliament/Funkadelic
all the best,
mrh
that damn thuddy "bass" that never mixes with K400 - treble harmonics arrive before anything else. The cabinets are a wonder of folding and imagination plus there's plenty of pretty veneer.I do think my crappy room walls are part of the problem.
maybe I'll live to do a HORN PURGE - no more FH1 sitting, no more Sentry IV sitting, no more Edgar System 100 sitting maybe no more Khorns - then it will be "KARLSONLAND"
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Edits: 10/03/16
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