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In Reply to: RE: A couple of points........ posted by vinylkid58 on January 15, 2012 at 17:56:31
The bk12 is a dog. Don't waste your money. You will torment yourself with it for 6 months and then sell them on ebay. Save yourself some time and money and buy someone else's off ebay if you really don't believe me. Go over to diy audio forum. Those guys know rear loaded full range much better then here. They will tell you the same. Don't buy a SE amp. Build your own. Start with upgrading your pp amp. It will do you fine with some decent upgrade parts. And you will learn about amps while you do it. And get great satisfaction in doing so.
A good safe start would be a Bib cab look it up. Toms horns are great but there 10 times more complex then the bk12. They are state of the art in rear loaded and the bk are start of a fart. And his fostexs are hiend. The cheap ones are cruel devices. Your better off with a well chosen set of vintage drivers and there is better new alternatives to the budget fostexs many! the new seas driver come to mind. Lacao is another. They make a diatone copy now too. Which can sing close up with a tweeter in a refex cab.
And vintage what about a pair of these in open baffle
http://www.ebay.de/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemnext&item=180788673009.html 98db! check out dht robs evaluation. Google him. And with open baffle you can have loads of fun swaping out a new set of toys off ebay each week!
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Hi,
would you mind to elaborate why the BK12 is a dog?
Thanks
joerg
sorry no search this forum and diy forum. Sorry if you own a pair. Good luck if you enjoy them thats all that counts at the end of the day.
Thanks for pointing in the direction of more information.
I just assumed that you were referring to actual experience, rather than virtual experience, when you made your statement re performance of these speakers.
Ciao
Joerg
I was going to ask the same question is the cabinet a dog or is it the speaker? Any way, I think I am going to build the winged open baffel on wildburroaudio not sure if I wil use their driver but it is a cheap and an easy build. I think I can learn alot about how fullrange works from these.
Hi all ! Robert , as you can see we all have different opinions to all this . Do what you want to , make some mistakes , learn from them and have fun. Following someone else's path is ok . However , Imho not in the spirit of DYI or the fun of it all . Good luck !
Hi Brad ,
well put.
It is just that it is very different to learn from someones experience if only unsubstantiated statements are given.
Ciao
Joerg
Thanks for your advice I hope I am clever enough to figure out that even though my first try might not yeild the perfect ob sound at least I think it will at least tell me that it is a sound I want to pursue. the same way I still listen to vinyl the same reason I do silly tweaks.
I can tell that I am on the right track. unfortunatly at this moment I am struggling financialy but I need something to do other than sit around and watch tv all day. So for the price of a sheet of mdf or plywood and some speakers i can still play.And trust me I will be playing with different designs I just need a place to start.
Hi Tubebuilder!
I agree with your post about 97% I too, believe the BK12 is a dog that's why I recommended Robert either buy used or at the very least a BK20 that uses the much better Fostex 8" drivers, plus I was trying to find out just how firm Robert's stated $400 audio budjet really was!
The 3% where I begin to disagree with you is with your recommendation to Robert not to buy a SE amp, but to build his own. Not everyone can do this. I've been in this hobby for 45+ years and couldn't repair or mod my SET if my life depended on it. Plus who would want to chance possible destroying their amp and what do you propose he use "if" he start with upgrading his Yaqin MC10L amp? Where I begin agreeing with you again is I do believe a person will get great satisfaction in having the ability to repair/mod/build their own audio components.
I want to thank you for your nice comments about my back-loaded horns and Fostex drivers. Yes the Sachiko's are complex internallyand you're correct in that I am using what is to the best of my knowledge Fostex's most expensive 8" driver. However a much less expensive close driver are the FE208E Sigmas I suggested to Robert.
I think your suggestion that Robert consider a BIB horn is a very good one Tube and one I have to admit I'm embarrassed I completely overlooked it as a choice. Considering that the BIB is simple to build and even if one isn't capable of building a BIB horn it would be very inexpensive to have one made and it sounds very, very good to boot! A pair of BIB's loaded with a pair of nice Fostex or other 8" fullrange drivers should still fall in or perhaps it is slightly above Robert's budget.
Finally the 8" fullrange L Cao might be a good idea for a open baffle design, but have to admit I'd need someone to look at the T/S specs and tell me if I'm right. However if the L Cao would work on an OB design it would be perfect for Robert as they're $350 a pair and anyone can build an OB. So it could be the perfect solution.
Thetubeguy1954 (Tom Scata )
Full-range/Wide-range Drivers --- Front & Back-Loaded Horns
Central Florida Audio Society -- SETriodes Group -- Space Coast Audio Society
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