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I was hoping that some Chorus owners would be kind enough to give me some info on these speakers since I may have to make a quick decision. It sounds like the boxes have some wear. What should I look for when evaluating their condition?
My room is 12 x 18, is this big enough for these speakers? Do they need any kind of stands? How far from walls is optimal?
I have a couple of 35-watt push-pull EL34 tube amps (Dynaco, CJ) and an EL84 Fisher 400 receiver. I listen to both vinyl and cd, a lot of acoustic music, folk, jazz, bluegrass plus a little of everything else including some classical.
I currently use Spendor 2/3s (86 dB I think) w/a sub and while they're pretty nice, I'm looking for more presence on vocals and instruments, as well as bigger soundstage and more precise imaging.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Sue
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I have 4 Chorus 2's from my friends estate. Would sell 2 or 4. $750 for 2 or $1400 for 4. I will not ship. I live in Lubbock, Tx. 79413
The Chorus II is better than the original Chorus. It is easily identified by the passive radiator on the back of the cabinet the original is ported on the front.
" It sounds like the boxes have some wear. What should I look for when evaluating their condition?"
Just make sure the corners are not crushed and the backs and fronts don't rattle (you can hit then with your fist), anything else is largely cosmetic and can be repaired (or not) to your taste. Speakers are best bought locally. Original shipping containers help, but do not insure that they can be shipped without damage. You can also pay more for local product as the end price will be the same.
"My room is 12 x 18, is this big enough for these speakers?"
Yes.
"Do they need any kind of stands?"
No.
"How far from walls is optimal?"
Varies, they are quite flexible. The speaker needs to be a bit away from the back wall for the PR. I prefer be able to see down the throats of the horns, it generally gives the best soundstage, imaging, depth, etc.
"I have a couple of 35-watt push-pull EL34 tube amps (Dynaco, CJ) and an EL84 Fisher 400 receiver. I listen to both vinyl and cd, a lot of acoustic music, folk, jazz, bluegrass plus a little of everything else including some classical."
They should sound fine on that mix.
"I currently use Spendor 2/3s (86 dB I think) w/a sub and while they're pretty nice, I'm looking for more presence on vocals and instruments, as well as bigger soundstage and more precise imaging."
The Chorus II is pretty solid down to 35hz or so in most rooms, if you play explosions and such you may want to keep your sub connected. I think you will like the presence of these speakers, they are 'there' without being really forward. Precise imaging will require toeing-in (as desribed above), and cutting off the push-on connectors of the wiring harness and soldering them straight to the drivers. While you have everything apart, replace the capacitors with new polypropylene, any brand sounds better than the old mylar caps they used. Make sure the tweeters work OK, replacement parts are available at reasonable prices if needed (if the previous owner had a 100W+ amp and was into thrash metal).
djk, thanks for the info and advice. I really appreciate it.
I should have mentioned that if I put them on the short wall, they might only be 9 or 10 feet apart. Is that ok?
In what ways are the IIs better? If it's the lower bass, I could use my sub. It's an ACI Titan.
Also, what does PR mean?
Thanks again,
Sue
PR is passive radiator.
9' is fine.
The Chorus II has a different crossover network and midrange horn vs the original Chorus. It also has a PR vs a port. The port was deliberately mis-tuned in the original Chorus. All this can be dealt with, but it takes a bit of effort (when it came out, I thought the original Chorus was the worst sounding speaker Klipsch had ever made), the Chorus II sounds much better (as-is).
If I had a choice between an original Forte and a Chorus II, I would rather have the Forte, although it is 3dB less efficient.
I also like the Cornwall II.
Since you have a sub, you could also look at the smaller bass-shy speakers like the Heresy. They need stands though.
djk,
Would you say that what you 've mentioned in regards to mods for the Chorus would also apply to the Forte? Do you have any other recommendations for improving the Forte?
I would do the same as regards the caps and connections in the Forte.
In the original Forte I would also put a piece of neoprene sponge on the back of the midrange driver. When playing extremely loud I have actually heard the back of the cabinet hit the driver! You could also try some extra weight on the PR and tune it a bit lower.
djk, that's interesting about the IIs. It's a tough call since I haven't heard either. Since the ones available locally are originals, I thought I could start there and see how I like them. I recall some posts from people who prefer the originals. One guy said it's because they have more of the classic Klipsch sound which unfortunately doesn't mean much to me yet. If they weren't so expensive to ship, I'd get both and compare them. ;~)
Thanks for your help. I really appreciate it.
Sue
ps I have to go offline for a while.
About preferring the old Chorus models when I was toying with buying a pair of Chorus II. But doing some research I also cam across posts here and, IRC, in the Klipsch forum from people who basically stated that there are some who are nostalgic for the older models but that Klipsch released the Chorus II because it actually was much better all around. I am not an engineer so I can't say, but you are going to find posts on both sides of the issue but it stands to reason unless you have concrete knowledge the other way that the newer model is an improvement on the old. Not always true, obviously. I say this because I bought the Chorus II and think it is a pretty decent speaker.
a woofer w/o magnet structure or voice coil.
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
Bertrand Russell
LousyTourist,
Thanks!
Sue
ps love your Simpsonized avatar!
email me at claudej1@aol.com
You will certainly get a bigger soundstage from Choruses. They have about 100 db/watt efficiency and the transient response is great. Drums sound like real drums and piano sounds like a real piano. They will play really loud with your existing electronics, so it sounds like the band is right there.
I have a pair for sale Beautiful Walnut in mint condition. The are one incredible sounding speaker. I just have too many and need to make room for bigger ones.
Claude,
How much? Where are you? How well do they ship?
Thanks,
Sue
Hi,
I'm the guy with the Chorus I's for sale. Mine are $595, but are in perfect condition. Beautiful original Oiled Walnut. If that $450 pair is available, how much is your time worth to replace diaphragms and refinish cabinets? More that $145?
Depending on how far you are from Detroit, I could meet you halfway.
Also, if you prefer the Chorus II's, I have a pair of those too. I'm going with larger cabinets (La Scalas) which don't go as low as the Choruses on bass, but I have big subwoofers, so they don't need to.
Choruses really don't need subs, especially for the kind of music you listen to. Be prepared to be blown away by the extra detail and dynamic impact in sound since you have such good amplifiers. I'll be going to Arkansas in about a month, so I could bring them if you are out west.
nt
Nice speakers which you should be able to enjoy with your tubes. I've been listening to a pair on occasion for quite a while - they aren't mine but get used for tube group meetings - and have enjoyed listening to them. Just recently, they decided to recap them with just cheapo Solens and the improvement was huge....even with Solens which aren't my major cupa' tea especially for highs...but I can't argue with it having been an incredible change...wonderful change for just peanuts.
jcmjrt, thanks for your response. That's interesting about the caps. I read a post on the Klipsch forum from a guy who said that made a bigger improvement than any other system change he tried. And he'd tried a lot of things.
Any idea of the difference between the originals and the Chorus IIs?
Sue
I own a pair of each. The Chorus II's (factory Black) are more fragile because they have a passive radiator on the rear. Also they are more sensitive to placment and can sound boomy in certain situations. They have a tractrix mid horn and overall can sound a lot brighter than the Chorus I's. The chorus II's go about 7 hz lower in the bass also.
The chorus I's sound more like Heritage Klipsch and were designed to replace the Cornwall originally because the market wanted a smaller footprint. They both sound really good. My Cornwall I's are in mint shape and are oiled walnut. I'm in Michigan.
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