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In Reply to: RE: Well, I Wonder About That posted by Mel on July 12, 2017 at 07:13:19
in the recording industry is that Jared actually reveals how he makes the sausage.
You can record in DSD but you can't mix in DSD so you convert the DSD to the very best PCM format available which I trust Jared uses in the Pyramix.
On can argue all day long about formats, PCM vs. DSD and bit depths and sample rates but the truth of the matter is, the problems are largely DECODING issues in the various DACs and NOT in the information contained in the various formats.
In other words, if the recording engineer got the recording part right and it wasn't screwed up in the mixing board, it's on YOU to figure out the best way to play it back.
I've heard Jared's recordings played back on Gigabuck gear and can safely say he is producing some of the best recordings being produced today.
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"In other words, if the recording engineer got the recording part right and it wasn't screwed up in the mixing board, it's on YOU to figure out the best way to play it back."Interesting, and just how are we to figure it out, aside from theoretically, to wit, the DXD files.
I appreciate the samples and I downloaded 2 of them, the DSD256 and the DXD. Problem is that the DSD file has little more than adjusting the bass drum sticks. The DXD has more. Perhaps I should try others. But these do not represent the miking and mix of the final product.
Better still if Jarad would distribute a six minute sample of the final mix that he thought best illustrated his work, and in the various formats.
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IMNSHO, it's gotta be user hardware dependent.
There are so many choices in how to decode a digital file that I doubt anyone would ever agree.
I use a multi-bit ladder DAC that likely has a real bit depth of about 18 bits or so. It's based on 8 each PCM1704's and would by many be considered obsolete as TI doesn't sell the chips anymore.
Others have DSD DACs fully capable of decoding DSD-512, some use software to up-sample to that rate, some DSD DACs up-sample internally to even higher sample rates and even deeper bit depths and on and on and on.
Who is to say what's best for you?
I use iTunes with a $10 Bit Perfect plug-in so WTFDIK
Hi Mel,
You're correct, the free samples on NativeDSD are not the micing and mix of the released album, but are a single take snippet using different mics, recorder, and placement. But the samples do provide accurate comparitive examples of the different formats (PCM/DXD and DSD rates) as how they will play and sound on different playback systems.
Your's is a reasonable request of providing a six or so minute sample of the released Channel Mahler 3 recording in the various delivery formats/rates, so we'll see how best to distribute these.
Thanks for your suggestion!
I spoke with Jared, and he'll add the Mahler 3 5th Movement to the NativeDSD Just Listen label page, in all the deliverable forms next week. This movement is particularly useful as a format comparison, as it is very rich sonically containing not only the orchestra, but the women's and children's chorus as well as the alto Gerhild Romberger.I'll keep you all informed.
Tom
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Due to vacation schedules it was not possible to place the Mahler 3 5th movement on NativeDSD this weekend. Until we can get it placed, if anyone wanting the movement earlier would mail me at the Audio Asylum tailspn address with the format and speed desired, I'll E-mail a We Transfer link to it.
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