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In Reply to: RE: But the restricted tracks only play the first 45 seconds of the track posted by PAR on July 05, 2017 at 08:26:03
OK. Here is a playlist of about 20 albums that demo the resolution mis-characterization of which I am having a problem. Hopefully all of you can tap into it and see for yourself what I am talking about. As I come across others, I add them to the playlist so it will continue to grow.
Go to:
http://open.qobuz.com/playlist/1476036
I have sent the list to Qobuz customer service in both the German and French services. Maybe PAR can do the same to get a response from the UK service.
Another demonstration of the lack of availability of Hi-Rez classical albums is to do a simple search for the composer Copland. The results appear to be an endless choice of albums, however, only three show up, near the top of the selection,in Hi-Rez and of those, only one is in the higher resolution advertised.
Do another search, this time for Mahler. The results are somewhat better but not up to advertised expectations: Of the first 18 albums 16 are shown as Hi-Rez but only 4 are 24 bit, 4 are MP3 and 4 are 16 bit. The two shown as 16 bit are of course in that resolution.
The best results come in a search for Mozart:Of the first 18 albums 17 are shown as Hi-Rez 16 are actually 24 bit, none are MP3 and 2 are 16 bit but but one alleges to be 16 bit. If all searches came out this good I would have no complaint. Maybe I tend to search for the wrong, less popular, composers.
Follow Ups:
I think that your basic problem is an unrealistic expectation.Sublime + is only 51 days old today. To expect all or most of the albums on offer to be available with 24 bit depth is frankly naive given the fact that Qobuz is not offering only brand new recordings but those available over the whole history of recording which have been digitised and commercially released. Very few, if any, recordings made using digital methods between approx 1973 and , say, 2000 or even later will ever be available in true 24 bit resolution as the technology was then not in use. Other analogue recordings that were digitised during that period may never be digitised again using hi-rez technology as they are of comparatively minority interest.
Furthermore there is the question of record company compliance in making hi-rez recordings available which I have covered in my earlier posts.
Right now you and I are early adopters of a hi-rez streaming service that already offers a greater magnitude of hi-rez recordings than any competitor. The number of hi-rez recordings available will increase substantially over the period of your subscription. By way of example when I joined Qobuz around 8 months ago the works of some of my favourite British composers were noticeable by their complete absence. Now, however, they may be represented by a great proportion of all the recordings made post the 78 era. Of course 100% is unlikely ever to be achieved.
Just accept, as an early adopter, that the repertoire available to you in hi-rez will grow and that, irrespective of hi-rez, the 16/44.1 files still sound great subject to the original recording (which, after all, trumps all).
I would add that when you say that recordings are not avialable in the format advertised this is incorrect. Nowhere does Qobuz state that any given recording is available for streaming in a particular format. They just say "available". Which they are as Qobuz is both a streaming and a download purchase ( BTW at a big discount) service.
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From the Qobus Sublime+ web site introduction: "Sublime+ offers access to more than 90% of the Qobuz Hi-Res catalogue of over 70 000 albums, but also to the rest of the Qobuz catalogue, i.e. 40 million tracks in 16-Bit FLAC quality (CD quality, lossless)."I guess my real gripe is with the statement that 90% of the total Hi-Rez catalog is accessible. That means, to me, for streaming. That is what their selling, a streaming service not a download sales catalog. In classical, for me, they do not come close to 90%. Maybe there is a chance of hitting 90% if you count all those albums mislabeled as 24 bit but really are not available for streaming at the advertised resolution.
"With Sublime+ you can choose the quality that's right for you at any time: with streaming and offline importing alike." Another quote form their pitch.
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" I guess my real gripe is with the statement that 90% of the total Hi-Rez catalog is accessible. That means, to me, for streaming. That is what their selling, a streaming service not a download sales catalog. "
That is your personal interpretation of what they are selling. This has led to your expectation but does not reflect their actual offer. The offer for Sublime + reads (copied and pasted from the UK home page):
" The best music subscription in the world: unlimited Hi-Res streaming, Hi-Res downloads at a special price".
Sublime+ and Sublime plain vanilla are not, and never have been, streaming only services. Incidentally newcomer Primephonic has a similar pitch.
BTW those special prices really are with albums costing, say, 12-14 gbp at other download sites being available from Qobuz to Sublime members at 8-9 gbp. Of course as the service is only currently available in the EU those prices include VAT at circa 20%.
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