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In Reply to: RE: Qobuz now offers full hi-rez streaming posted by Isaak J. Garvey on May 18, 2017 at 18:26:12
The OP stated that Sublime+ cost about 1/3 more than Sublime, which is €220 per year (currently about $242). That would put Sublime+ at roughly about $320 per year, which is about $27 per month.
Assuming these numbers are accurate, true high-res from Qobuz costs more than the lossy-compressed high-res (MQA) from Tidal. However if the 65,000 albums quoted by the OP is accurate, that is over 100x the number of MQA albums currently available on Tidal. Plus there is no need to purchase new hardware for decoding. The extra $7 per month for Qobuz Supreme+ would seem less expensive than buying a new DAC, plus there are apparently far more titles available. Clearly the situation is changing rapidly. The MQA announcement at CES seemed significant, but the Qobuz announcement at Munich may be even more significant. What will the next major audio show bring?
As always, strictly my opinion and not those of my employer, friends, family, or neighborhood raccoons.
Charles, the actual price for Sublime+ is 349.99 euro per annum. That has to be paid upfront, there isn't a monthly charge.
Like most streaming services working internationally that means 350 of your currency whatever it is. No converted rate for us Brits.
> > Charles, the actual price for Sublime+ is 349.99 euro per annum. That has to be paid upfront, there isn't a monthly charge.
Like most streaming services working internationally that means 350 of your currency whatever it is. No converted rate for us Brits. < <
Thanks very much for the accurate information. For those of you who don't know, the pricing of downloads is set by the record labels. I assume the same is true for streaming.
MP3 streaming is 10 units per month from many, many services. CD-quality streaming is 20 units per month from several services. MQA streaming is also 20 units per month, with Tidal being the only tangible source. Now we see the first source of true hi-res streaming (from Qobuz) and it is 30 units per month.
It would seem that the record labels place a higher price on a higher quality product. In other words they don't value MQA any more than CD quality, whereas true hi-res files are worth more - even 44/24. Very interesting!
As always my posts here reflect my opinions only and not those of my employer, family, pen-pals, or ex-girlfriends.
Just to add that the price isn't just set in effect by the record companies. The music publishers also have a major role.
> > Just to add that the price isn't just set in effect by the record companies. The music publishers also have a major role. < <
Thanks for the clarification, as I forgot about the publishers. Copyright law comes into play with the publishers, and to complicate things further that varies not only from country to country, but also over time within a single country as legislators change their minds (usually due to bribery from the vested interests). My understanding is that US law states that any *unreleased* music automatically loses copyright protection 50 years after the date of performance.
That is the reason for the recent spate of massive box sets of previously unreleased music - including the recent Sergeant Pepper's remix. We are approaching the 50th anniversary of the performances. My understanding is that all of these additional outtakes would have no copyright protection unless released within the 50-year window. There are many other similar releases being prepared for release for the very same reason, including Dylan, The Doors, Pink Floyd, Hendrix, et cetera, et cetera.
The entire existing system is quite cumbersome. Likely set up by attorneys, as it seems they are the ones that always benefits from copyright disputes.
Strictly my personal opinion and not that of my employer, associates, or poker-buddies.
Here are some official links:
In French, but easy to make out what is being offered.
And check out this stellar review from What HiFif from last year:
and press release:
I can tell you as a supplier, Qobuz has an enormous catalog, including many very rare rock and pop records in 24 bit, some only available there.
This totally destroys the bandwidth myth, one of MQA's big selling points.
Aside from the totally unproven and bold assertions that MQA sounds better than the lossless master file it was created from, there is literally no reason for it to exist.
Sprint is going to have to answer for this..how a little start up in France can offer full 24/192 resolution streaming with no proprietary compression, and they as a major telecom company and 50% owner of Tidal, cannot.
Yes, plus Qobuz' new interface which resembles Roon with artist biogs, track data down to other artists on the track, producer even engineer. Plus full CD booklet.
I have had a play with Tidal here at the show and was quite disappointed particularly with their classical music offering. I never knew Star Wars was classical music until Tidal ;-)
I have been a Qobuz member for 5 years and absolutely love it. They have had their growing pains but they really do a great job.
Qobuz is also integrated in quite a few DLNA control apps.
Thumbs up for their new service.
when will it be available in the USA..?
Isaak J. Has some practical advice. As for Qobuz coming to the USA, it isn't even available in all EU countries yet let alone all Europe.
I have heard in the past that they did not come to the USA because they have been on the verge of bankruptcy. Do not know what there current financial status is
Yes, that was two years ago. They had to find a new owner and have it approved by the French courts ( they are a French company) in December 2015. This they did but I do not know who rescued them.
Very easy to sign up. I emailed them and told them I regularly travel between Europe and the USA and 24 hours later I had an account. A dozen or so friends of have done this as well. I have also had friends who are European citizens here working for extended periods and they were given accounts.
Or, very easy to use a proxy.
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