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In Reply to: RE: Marantz SA10 Reviews posted by hiredfox on April 24, 2017 at 09:23:54
Thanks to all for contributing to this thread. I remain interested in the SA10, but will be cautious.
The SA14 is not bad, and as I wrote before SACD's sound very good and CD's okay. I know I cannot expect CD's to sound as good as SACD's but i do hope that on the SA!0 they could rival my vine setup. I was just listening again last night. I didn't do any AB switching (I'm more interested in music than sound), but, judging on memory, my impression that more excitement (micro dynamics, tone purity, the thrill of "thereness") is provided by the vinyl than the CD's. Specifically, this holds on:
a. The Bohm recording of the Magic Flute (with Fischer-Dieskau)
b. The Barenboim recording of L'Enfant et les Sortileges
c. The recording of Crumb's Idyll for the Misbegotten played by Ziti Mueller
In each case I have CD's and LP's, and the latter are thrilling, the former merely good.
Further information is welcome, especially from Hiredfox.
Unquestionably the SA10-S1 is a very fine machine indeed but it also demands that other system elements at least match it in quality. This was true also of Marantz's other flagship players CD12, CD7, SA1 & SA7-S1. I see no reason why this would not be the case as well with the SA 14SE which was so well received and reviewed in high end circles; anybody owning one of these should at least explore its performance in an upgraded system before casting it aside on a whim.
As to their performance with Red Book CD, I'm not sure what people are expecting. The machines are not music generators they reprocess only the information that is on the disc. For that reason alone the sound may be sound different through different reprocessing but SQ in absolute terms cannot be improved.
It is my view that dedicated RBCD machines like the CD7 remain the best way of hearing CD at its "limited best" as processing remained in the PCM regime throughout.
CD already has a foot in the grave when compared to even a fairly modest vinyl rig. I enjoy ceedees for what they are but I don't expect them to equal vinyl.
How is the SA14 playing hi-res PCM? I would be more concerned if flaws are apparent there.
I'm actually considering moving up to the SA14 from my SA8004.
One can become quite used to the imperfections of vinyl and the electronics that were used to create it.
Just as one can get used to the sterility and flat representation of much digital reproduction and the electronics used to create it.
I can't remember the wag who penned it, but: "The best way to enjoy digital reproduction is to never listen to LPs." While that statement is a perfect example of hyperbole, there is a grain of truth. I enjoy the digital side of my system immensely for what it does, but there's always a sense of relaxation when I switch to vinyl.
I no longer bother with my extensive vinyl collection, much prefer mch SACD.& well recorded CDs.
I wrote earlier about three recordings which to me, in my system, sound better on vinyl than on CD. But there are also several recordings that sound better on CD than on vinyl, I think because of the mastering.
My goal is to get the best out of both possibilities. PS Audio claims that their new player
(same basic process as the Marantz sa10) makes CD's, not just SACD's, sound better.
I'd like to know.
Someone asked about the SA14 on PCM downloadable files. I don't have too much experience there, and in particular no basis of comparison. I have some FLAC files (Patricia Barber's Monday Night at the Green Mill) that do sound very good when streamed through the USB port of the Marantz.
I am more or less satisfied with the rest of my system (speakers, amplifiers, etc.)
Whilst I would not want a separate transport & dac ,the new PS player does mch SACD, however I find their claims hard to believe, according to Hiredfox not possible to improve CD SQ with a similar process as on the Marantz SA10 .whilst I will be accused of repeating myself the Sony combo DA5400ES/XA5400ES does have H.A.T.S. low jitter that PS espouse and find so important, Just read Audio Stream review that says CD SQ is improved but I am not interested in paying $12K to find out for myself.
I have been listening quite a bit to both the SA10 and SA8005. The price difference is wide but have to say both players are exceptional. I will be writing the SA10 review shorty and it will appear in June. I also have to say the mor listening to SA8005 the more I become impressed and will be doing a separate review on that unit as well. Marantz continues to impress with their red book and SACD playback.
keep us posted -bean.
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