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I have no idea how this thread works it all looks highly higgly-piggly to me and it is impossible to tell where comments are likely to appear but here goes in response to those asking about CD playback.
It is impossible for any sort of processing of 44/16 RBCD data to transform the sound miraculously into SACD quality. The SA10-S1 processes RBCD in a different way to all previous SACD spinners but it cannot and does not work miracles.
Compared with the SACD sound, there is very little depth to the soundstage, the soundstage is reduced in dimensions, there is a noticeable lack of precision in instrument placement, some of the harshness of upper strings and female voice are unbearably screechy and there are even some sounds I cannot recognise! There is definitely a sense of smoothing of detail but the sound is not warm. I find it aurally quite unattractive.
My Marantz CD7 and indeed the SA7-S1 do better jobs at RBCD playback. If you accept that the CD7 set the benchmark for RBCD playback and has never been bettered this new machine falls some way short of the SQ of the CD7. I doubt you will want to buy this machine for CD playback as its main duty.
Buy the SA10-S1 only if you want state of the art cutting edge audio sound quality from the very best SACD recording available today. Pentatone, Mariinsky & Challenge Classics discs sound best of all, all recorded in DSD. Reference Recordings discs also show up well. DSD retreads are exposed by the limitations of the original analogue recordings.
Those that bemoan the SA10-S1's lack of multi-channel capability will be surprised by what this truly high-end stereo reproduction can achieve especially in small rooms. It is also patently daft to compare the SA10-S1 sound to that of a sub $1k DVD player used for SACD mch playback.
I am new to the forum and I would like to chime in on the new Marantz Sa 10 Hi Rez audio player. I now have around 100 hours of break in on the player and I have played quite a few cds and a few sacds. I think Ken Ishiwata of Marantz has something special with this new design. The sense of immediacy relating to dynamic range, musicality, detail and the timberal acurracy (with a feeling of delicacy in the playback of the music) is first rate. The sound stage is large and layered and the seperation of instruments and vocals is exceptional. I have found this to be true with well recorded cds as well as sacds. The higher the quality of the source material I put on always results in the feeling of being closer to the actual recording session. The music has a sense of livelyness and musicality that makes listening a real pleasure. I am very critical listener so the results I have found for myself with this player are satisfying. I primarily listen to Blues and Jazz and some Soft Rock. Some of the cds I have listened to are listed as follows: Duke Robillard-Blue Mood, Monte Alexander-Goin' Yard, Maria Maldaur-A Woman Alone With The Blues, Robin Ford & The Blue Line-The Authorized Bootleg, Eddie Vinson-Kidney Stew is Fine, Harry Connick Jr.-Eleven, Sacd Diana Krall-The Look Of Love
The associated equipment is listed as follows: Krell KCT preamp (with Siltech cast cable, Krell FPB 600C amplifier, Legacy Focus 20/20 speakers, Siltech LS188 speaker cables, and Siltech SQ110 Classic balanced interconnects
I am planning on recording some Hi Rez music files to a USB drive as an alternate souce for the DAC. It will be interesting to evaluate the results.
Another +review by Luciano IT in a different thread.
Fantja thank you for the link.
my pleasure- rogl.
The hope is that this special spinner catches on to others and we get more reviews. I will post if/when I can find a dealer/retailer in the U.S.A for audition.
Fantja I am lucky because Safe and Sound in Chicopee, Ma. is an authorized Marantz dealer. I live in Chicopee, Ma. so I was able to audition and buy my unit from Mike the owner. I think they are selling on ebay also.
Hopefully, Frank I, is preparing his report and review soon.
Thanks! for giving a shout-out for your local dealer/retailer- rogl
what other gear, including cabling, is in your system?
I have a Magnum Dynalab MD102T Fm tuner that was upgraded by Magnum Dynalab. It is essentially an Md106 without the magic eye tuning aid on the front panel. I also have the Monster Avs2000 automatic voltage stabilizer and the Signature Htps 7000 reference signal source for AC power conditioning. I use them primarily to suppress any AC noise or transients that could cause equipment damage or failure. I plug the power amp directly into the wall to provide maximum current to the amplifier for the best performance. I run a Siltech cast cable between my preamp and amplifier. This is used instead of a balanced cable for the audio path. This keeps the audio signal as a current source instead of a voltage source. The advantage is that current loops provide wide bandwidth, ultra fast speed, and great noise immunity. I run a pair of Siltech SQ28 Classic MK II between the tuner and the preamp. I think that covers the equipment and cabling that I didn't cover in my first post. I hope you find this info useful. Regards, Rogl
FRank I- review will drop in October.
how is the player settling in your system?
Fantja I have over 250 hours on the player now. I have been playing a lot of cds on a regular basis. Tonight I was playing a Telearc cd by Junior wells called "Come on in to this house". I just can't quantify the level of palpability, detail, and dynamic range that was also highlighted by an immense three dimensional soundstage. To say that the Sa10 has brought a great amount of musical enjoyment into my listening room would be an under statement. There is no doubt that the minimum break in time of 200 hours or greater will allow this machine to really shine. I do have the room treated with some RPG absorption panels and Asc Tube traps for optimized sound quality in my system. Because of the addition of the Marantz Sa10 to my system, I now think it is worth it to take the next step and add some additional tube traps to provide some additional sound enhancement for the room acoustics. I can then get the maximum benefit from the full range tower speakers that I run. I have not been on this site for a while. So it is time to provide an update regarding the unit.
Anyone else come across a different review of the SA-10 ?
Fantja I think that the activity on the site has been light during the summer vacation period. I have a link that has 6 reviews of the Marantz Sa 10. I had to use a translator to read them. The link is listed as follows:
I hope you find them useful. Regards, Rogl
Keep posting- rogl.
Thanks! for the update- rogl
Good to see you again. After 500 hours, your SA-10 will be set. Keep posting your thoughts, impressions on this spinner. My interest is certainly peaked, wish I could find a dealer/retailer that has one in his showroom for demo?
Frank I - when does your review drop?
keep me posted as you continue to become acclimated w/ this spinner.
Cabling is the most important (and forgotten) component- rogl.
Thanks! for sharing- rogl.
Slowly, but surely, the word (and reviews) are coming forward.
H.F. Thanks for your comments that fully answer all I wanted to know about the Marantz SA-10.
Thanks very much. I thinkI am the one who asked that question about CD playback. I agree that this thread (or these threads) are very hard to sort out, at least the way the software presents them. I'm glad I managed to find your post.
I think you have answered my question. To perhaps repeat myself: I have a Marantz SA14,
which plays CD's better than my Onkyo. It also plays SACD's, which the Onkyo would not.
Some of the SACD's sound superb: especially Duke Ellington "Blues in Orbit", and some
Patricia Barber SACD's. The SACD version of "Kind of Blue" sounds almost as good as the Vinyl,
the CD not so much. But in fact very little of the music I love is available on SACD, and it would make no sense to me to
spend the money necessary to replace the SA14 with an SA10 if most of that music would sound worse, even if the ten or so great SACD's I
have would sound even better.
The SA14 has been criticized in some places for excessive warmth; that does not bother me,
with my ESL based system.
Any further thoughts?
Right On! hiredfox
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