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very sweet- Aaron01
What are you waiting for ? Go for it
Well, I am certainly tempted- Disbeliever.
this would be the one and only product purchased w/o a proper audition.
I would be suprised if it is still available, if your priority is Stereo SACD then its worth buying .
Edits: 05/28/18
My dealer allowed me to audition the Marantz at home
(I had already bought $30,000+ in stuff from him over the years)
I wanted to see if it would sound any better than my DAC
(Which was just as good as a Bryston DAC I had tried and returned)Well the Marantz SA-10 really did sound better playing CDs from my five disc changer.
(I usually play CDs through the changer, saving the previous main drive Sony SCD777ES for special occasions)I would say the main improvement of the SA-10 over the DAC was mid/high frequencies being WAY truer to reality. and better drive and snap.
( I am a big high frequency fanatic)One thing about SACD in general, is the failure to have any background. The SA-10 does a modified DSD and that odd SACD problem was NOT there with an CDs played through the SA-10. All the ambience of CDs remained and improved.
So my main reason to buy the SA-10 was 100% to play CDs from another machine through the DAC of the SA-10.
It was worth $7000 to me to do that alone? yes.
I own like ten SACDs, and 2500 CDs.Added: for fantja I use Kimber KS1016 RCA, and Kimber KS1116 XLR
Speakers Magnepan 20.7 powered from Bryston amp preamp
Furman REF20i power conditioner.
Kuzma Stabi Stogi S Dynavector 17D3 AC SP15 for a phono box.
VAC Standard for a fancy digital buffer (and yes still like to use it with the Marantz Sa-10)
Edits: 05/29/18
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how is the SA-10 settling int your system?
Curious if you've tried connecting your SA-10 to an external media server via either the USB or the optical or coax inputs; if so, how did that work out?
Welcome! alh22
I am still looking for an audition on this player. I have an extensive CD and SACD collection that keeps growing! Whom is your Marantz dealer, retailer-
this SA-10 was purchased from Safe&Sound,428 East Street, Chicopee, MA 01020
413-594-6460. Smooth transaction, good price, nice people.
Thank You! tell us more about your system, including, cabling.
How do discs sound played directly into the SA-10, without first via the changer ?
Edits: 05/30/18 05/30/18
Fantja Do not waste your time or money with Marantz SA-10 , I have just for the first time used the stereo only analogue out for CD from my Sony 1000ES and the sound is phenomenal, much better than from Sony XA5400ES also CD & SACD are both excellent via HDMI, the Sony with its 32 bit DAC is a absolute bargain. Only problem for analogue out there is no track display on the player ,just elapsed time. Via HDMI all info is displayed on TV screen.
Edits: 06/04/18
Actually, we have a new player (no pun) hot on the heels of the SA-10.
Marantz KI Ruby CD/SACD spinner in a limited edition engagement.
I wonder if the same SA-10 transport/drive mechanism, is used for Ken's newest offering?
How do discs sound plaed directly from the SA-10, without the changer ?
Of course it is still available.
Have you checked ?
Yes.
Still looking for those lucky Souls who have auditioned this spinner?
It seems Hired Fox is the only one, said its excellent for Stereo only SACDbut not as good as previous top end Marantz for CD.
Yep, not many own this spinner. I have found a dealer/retailer here in the USA that actually stocks it. Planning a trip later this year to audition.
Finally, getting some coverage from the Audio press. Nice article in What?HiFi magazine.
Where are ya- Frank I ?
It has been a few months since I had the SA10. A few weeks ago, I had the chance to try the XLR output of the SA10 to the XLR input of a BAT VK53SE preamp. Btw, the BAT VK53SE is a full balanced preamp. Not knowing what to expect, I spinned a few tracks on CDs - Dire Straits Brother In Arms, Otmar Liebert Noveau Flamenco, SACD Diana Krall The Girl in the Other Room, Ana Caram Blue Bossa and Carol Kidd Debut. I was shocked to hear tremendous improvement in sound compared to the RCA out. Is this attributed to the SA10 or BAT pre, I really dont know. But the fact is that I heard bass that goes so much extended and lower probably another octave and each bass notes can be easily followed. Depth, detail and soundstage improved as well. So if anyone of you are using the SA10, do try the XLR output and I am sure you can hear the difference. I am sure the BAT is producing what is coming out from the SA10.
(SME20/12 V12 arm, Clearaudio Titanium V2, Nagra BPS, Marantz CD7,SA10, NA11S1, Airtight ATC2, Passlabs XA100.8 mono pwr, Sonus Faber Amati Futura, Purepower 3000+, Yter, Kimber PK10 Palladian, Nordost Tyr)
Thanks! for the update- Annapurna
a pre-amp is the heart of any system. A high-end, fully balanced pre-amp is going to yield incredible listening results via XLR cables.
Take a high-end spinner such as the SA-10 and you have doubled-down on sound quality.
The same kind of excellent sound quality can be achieved via RCA outputs, one has to carefully select the gear that will produce the same outcome as above. I am a big fan of Conrad Johnson electronics. To my knowledge, those amps, pre-amps are RCA conncections exclusively.
Is the redbook CD on the SA-10 better than from the CD7 ?
A definite Yes in my system.
(SME20/12 V12 arm, Clearaudio Titanium V2, Nagra BPS, Marantz CD7,SA10, NA11S1, Airtight ATC2, Passlabs XA100.8 mono pwr, Sonus Faber Amati Futura, Purepower 3000+, Yter, Kimber PK10 Palladian, Nordost Tyr)
Another inquiring email has been sent to Frank I.
I have sent a few emails to Frank I asking about his review of the SA-10 and when we can expect to read. I have not had any reply as of this writing?
Anyone hear or read about this spinner located in a Marantz dealer/retailer showroom?
Has anyone seen or heard this spinner at their dealer/retailer?
Anyone find the SA-10 at a dealer/retailer?
After some delay, I finally collected my SA10 this afternoon. Initial impression is that it is excellent in both CD and SACD playback. It is extremely smooth, and in fact sounded very analog in both CDs and SACDs. There is no grain at all from what I have heard. In my setup, it does surpass my CD7 in CD playback, contrary to what some others have heard - this I am very sure. I will let it runin 1st in the next few days. So far it is less than 10 hrs and I am very impressed already. Time to retire my CD7 :)
(SME20/12 V12 arm, Clearaudio Titanium V2, Nagra BPS, Marantz CD7, Marantz NA11S1, Airtight ATC2, Passlabs XA100.8 mono pwr, Sonus Faber Amati Futura, Purepower 3000+, Yter, Kimber PK10 Palladian, Nordost Tyr)
Thanks! for sharing- Annapurna
where did you purchase your SA-10?
Hi Fantja, I am from Singapore and a friend bought it from Hong Kong for me while on holiday there. This morning, I had a long listening session confirming what I heard last night, both with SACD and CD. I heard on CDs the following - The Best of Earl Klugh, Sundance Flamenco by James Bohchak, Otmar Liebert Noveau Flamenco, Kraftwerk Live 3D, Nathan East Reverence. On SACD, I tried with Diana Krall The Girl in the Other Room, Natalie Cole Ask A Woman Who Knows, Chris and Friends (Mandarin disc), Norah Jones Come Away With Me, Tsai Chin (Mandarin Disc). Disc after disc, the SA10 never fail to impress me. The low level resolution, the ultra low level of noise is just eerie. On Kraftwerk and Earl Klugh, the bass extension just go real low and taut and not boomy. Will update when I try the digital input.
(SME20/12 V12 arm, Clearaudio Titanium V2, Nagra BPS, Marantz CD7, Marantz NA11S1, Airtight ATC2, Passlabs XA100.8 mono pwr, Sonus Faber Amati Futura, Purepower 3000+, Yter, Kimber PK10 Palladian, Nordost Tyr)
any updates -Annapurna?
Hardly any updates, I suspect some are not too happy with the SA-10, I would bet that you are not going to buy one.
October is here -Disbeliever! Where is Frank I ?
Frank I is the editor of headphone.guru, his comments on the SA-10 will probably appear there.
Sure hope so- Disbeliever.
He has dicked us around long enough!
Not without an audition.
TY- Annapurna for your listening thoughts/impressions.
Keep listening and writing until I can get an audition.
where are ya -RIQUE?
Yes, as reported here on another thread. I have one it is installed and is up and running. So far it has about 8 hrs listening on the clock. It is way too early to make wild statements about it's SQ.
What I will say is that it is an incredibly well engineered machine and is extremely well packed and presented. The box contains a personal letter from Ken Ishiwata, a pair of white silk gloves and an invitation to join an exclusive '10' club. The machine appears to use a similar chassis to the SA11-S3 rather than the SA7-S1 but is about the same weight as the SA7-S1 - bloody heavy!
In operation the drawer mechanism is slow in operation but very quiet and it does not "slam" shut like the SA7-S1's which was also an in-house purpose built design. Marantz for some reason have reverted to the balanced output configuration of Pin 1 And, Pin 2 Hot (+), Pin 3 Cold (-). The SA7-S1 had the Pin 2 / Pin 3 configuration the other way around which has caused a problem for me as the interconnects for the link to the pre-amp were specially modified for me by Cardas so now I have to send those cables over to the US again to have them reversed once more. Meanwhile I have been forced to start my listening with absolute phase reversed which is not good.
The things that strike you immediately are;
- Huge soundstage width and depth
-Very high resolving power at even low levels of listening. Inner detail unravelling is excellent even in dense passages
- Extremely low noise floor - it is silent in playback from disc
- Very accurate instrumental timbres, excelling at piano, string and timpani but great on all including organ which had our house shaking!
- Transient attack is guillotine like
Insofar as it is far too early to describe the character of the music produced, I am a little puzzled by a physiological instinct that it seems to play music 'slowly' which I haven't got my head around just yet.
Give it time, and keep us posted!
I have the SA11s3 which has pin 2 neg. and pin 3 pos. If you go into the menu you can change the polarity. I also have the PM11s3 which has the same configuration so polarity is not an issue for me. Check your manual to see if you can reverse the polarity of the SA10.
The SA7-S1 had a phase reversal button on the facia but sounded better with the correctly wired cables, don't ask me why? There is no similar facility on the SA-10S1. Neither does it have provision for connection of a Master Reference Word Clock which transformed the performance of the basic machine.
The SA-10S1 manual comes in CD-ROM form but of course the MacBook Pro has dispensed with most useful facilities like a disc player and there is as yet no operating manual on-line on the Marantz 10 website to download!
So yes, I will explore the on-board menu when I can access it with confidence and a little knowledge.
Third item from the top.
Thanks! for sharing-
Here is a link:
http://us.marantz.com/us/products/pages/ProductDetails.aspx?CatId=referenceseries&ProductId=SA10
According to the download, you can indeed invert the phase from a menu setting.
The manual you are looking at is from Marantz USA. The OP is from the UK. If you go to Marantz UK there is no provision to download a manual. Is it possible that the USA version and the UK version are slightly different?
:-)
I am still looking for a dealer to demo.
Fantja There is a review by Jason Kennedy of both the expensive Class D Marantz PM-10 amplifier & a brief one of the SA-10 spinner in The Ear, but IMO the Hired Fox final one is still the most authentic and most likely to remain so.
Edits: 07/01/17 07/01/17 07/01/17 07/02/17 07/02/17 07/02/17 07/02/17
Frank I - will deliver his review in October.
Thank You- Disbeliever.
Has anyone else taken a demo on this spinner?
unsure what is going on here?
RIQUE= TROLL
Has anyone found RIQUE?
Anyone get an audition on this spinner?
Anyone else seen or heard this player?
and he didn't like it at all vs. his Sony.
Disbeliever recently said that he preferred his Sony to some expensive dCS equipment but has not said that he has heard the Marantz SA-10. The comment was part of an exchange he and I enjoyed about the filters in the Marantz machine ( based solely upon reports, not experience). Maybe that's where your impression came from?
Edits: 03/04/17
to his recent post.
It's better than anything...
Except being in Love, at least as I understand it.
Thanks to Bob Dorough.
Disbeliever has years of posts criticizing Marantz's reference series SACD players. I was just anticipating the next post.
My 28 year old modified Marantz CD94 is still working ,however I sold it some 3/4 years ago. A friend is still using again modified the equivalent Philips 960 . The only Marantz I criticized was the SA7-S1,sold after a 700 hour burn in. I have not auditioned the latest SA-10.
Edits: 03/04/17 03/04/17 03/04/17
Thank you all for the clarification. I remain somewhat interested in the SA10. I recently bought an SA14, Although there have been some negative comments about that unit on this forum, I am pretty happy with it. Although in general it is not as exciting as my vinyl setup, on some SACD's it sounds really excellent to my ears, and on CD's it is a considerable improvement over my previous Onkyo CD player. I can't help wondering if the SA10 would be a worthwhile further improvement. It would have to be a major one to justify the price.
I will have a listen to the SA-10 shortly but expect it will be difficult to get a home demo. As for modifications on Marantz CD94 & Philips 960 they were very extensive amounting to a complete rebuild of both digital & analogue sections, these players were suitable for upgrading,whilst quite good as standard, the mods transformed them into top notch RB players.
No chance of a home demo according to one of the main dealers in UK as Marantz are pretty much making them to order. It is not a Limited Edition per se but production is limited to those who actually want to buy one, "Deposit up-front please". This tells me absolutely that the SA-10S1 is very much a flagship Loss Leader. Understandable when you look at the quality of Design & Engineering not to mention the up-front years of R & D.
As a user of dCS equipment the contrasts could not be starker. My bet is a profitable SA1-10S1 would come in around the £20/25k mark if it was made by dCS. Luckily it isn't.
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He hasn't been kind to my "obese" SA-7S1. :)
This is a public service announcement . . . WITH GUITARS!!!
"and he didn't like it at all vs. his Sony."
I can't find the original post from Disbeliever asserting this. Can you quote it?
I think Disbeliever is only interested in multichannel; is that the reason he prefers the Sony?
Did he even listen to the Marantz?
Laughing...
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