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In Reply to: RE: marantz SA-10 posted by hiredfox on February 10, 2017 at 11:19:42
My SA-14 was warm and muddy. The thing is the Bryston bda-3 would be a more flexible and less expensive route for me to take, and I can hear it at my brother's house.
Interesting. I don't find the SA-11S3 to be overly warm or muddy. Certainly less warm than the PS PWT/PWD combo. That said, nobody is going to call it cold and clinical either.
I can get a new one for $2999 Canadian; maybe I should consider it? On the other hand, it would need to go on top of my rack, taking up the space usually cluttered with CDs and SACDs. Those filter options are pretty much the same as my Esoteric DV-50. Maybe I should buy a laser and get the Esoteric fixed so that I can A/B it with the Oppo bdp-95. Frankly, the Oppo has made me skeptical of high end players in general.
Not huge fan of Oppo for music. They make fantastic Blu-Ray players, but I prefer to keep mine in the video system.
of course, that is a matter of personal preference.
I listened to the SA-14 for a couple of hours - with my discs, on two separate occasions - at the dealer before buying it. It sounded great there, and warm and muddy when I took it home. I do know that my CD sound (in particular) could be improved because my brother's Meridian 208 sounded better than my Esoteric. But I just don't know how to get there from here.
I've got mine going to a Pass Labs INT-60 driving ML Montis speakers. I've also had Ohm speakers hooked up which were significantly warmer.
Its been a while since I heard the 208, but I remember liking it. :-)
The Paradigm Studio 100 v3 was a perfect candidate (price/performance) for a system of five full range speakers - and is pretty darned neutral: http://www.stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/105paradigm/#aaERXigTQisrP7K3.97
Neither am I inclined to look at my five channels of 300 watts into 8 ohms of Bryston amplification (4B & 6B SST). But what I do know is that anything warm - even Cardas Golden Reference cables - sounds warm and muddy in my room. I think what is going on here is that the slight tendency of the Paradigms to emphasize the lower mid-range at the expense of the upper mid-range is being reinforced by the distribution of modes in my room. So I get a rich warm sound from slightly more "clinical" (and usually less expensive) components.
I do not like warm and muddy as well- Jim.
I bought an SA14 a year or so ago. Although it may be somewhat warm, I don't find it muddy. My system is on the lean and dry side, with over damped bass. I remain a tiny bit tempted by the SA10....but it seems very extravagant. SACD's through the SA14 sound very good to my ears, the only real rival to vinyl.
even the 105D has gotten mixed reviews.
Marantz should be much better.
The UD 7007 Uni player is now around $700.
Mine was $1200, and I like it as a second system player and for movies/Netflix Streaming.
Still, you can do better for more $.
I don't think it's high end - just as good or better than the high end players I've owned - much better than the Marantz SA-14 and as good as the Esoteric DV-50. As for reviewers, who knows what motivates them?
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