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In Reply to: RE: marantz SA-10 posted by akltam on February 02, 2017 at 08:55:00
This goes back to the original 1 bit high frequency DACs from Philips which filtered rather than converting for analog output. The Meridian 208 (Philips "bitstream" DAC3) back in 1993 did this, and it still is the best CD player I've heard in my system. SACD/DSD was just a way of pushing that technology back to the disc, eliminating the initial oversampling conversion of the PCM source.
I found the original I bit bitstream inferior to the Philips 16 bit TD1541A S2 Double Crown Dac.
Maybe you don't like it either?
Jim The excellent Sony XA5400ES is a mch SACD player, whilst the Marantz SA-10 like the previous obese SA-7S1 is Stereo only.
Presumably your Sony does a very good job with CDs using this strategy.
So the 5400 converts PCM to DSD on CDs?
I've never heard that before.
I like my 5400 on SACD, but it's thin and bright on CDs, not as good as XA7 CD player.
But, that being said, I love my HAP Z1 in Full-Sony Mode:
DSEE Auto, Remastering Engine On, Precision Upsampling.
It sounds much better than Mytek 192/DSD or Lampi Euforia, in direct comparison.
Sony's new Portable stuff has newer technology, I hope there is a Z2 in the near future
that uses it.
Yes, definitely oldmkvi: have a look at Kal's review of your Sony: http://www.stereophile.com/content/music-round-36-page-2#Exdjij4SPkvsOMgD.97 .
These things are always somewhat taste and system dependent. Of the three players that aspire to reference quality that I've owned and had in my current system: the Marantz SA-14, Esoteric DV-50 and Oppo bdp-95, none have employed this conversion to DSD. But my brother's Meridian 208 outperformed all three for CD, to the best of my memory, except for the Oppo with HDCD - where the Oppo is outstanding. Of these three players I liked the Marantz the least: not only did it take up extra space in my rack but it was overly warm relative to my system and taste. But knowing Marantz I'd be surprised if the new player doesn't sound "warm and liquid" as well, regardless of the "new" DAC technology.
My brother now prefers the Bryston bda-3 DAC, driven by the Meridian. While Bryston massively oversamples the PCM to 384/32 they keep DSD and PCM conversion totally separate "to avoid conversion", so that playback is "bit perfect" to the original media. Personally I've developed a resistance to these marketing claims based on competing technologies.
It will be interesting to hear if the latest Marantz 1 bit dac is any better than the previous one, however as I have already posted I am not interested in Stereo only SACD players.
Right, so there's no reason to keep posting about 2 Ch equipment...
My 5400 does not sound thin & bright on Cds, it is excellent as in the first Hi-Fi Choice review by Alvin Gold
I understand that the player upsamples incoming data to DSD. Is there a NOS mode?
waiting for reviews, not that I'll be getting one...
Reviews are nice as well as giving a shout-out for your Marantz dealer/retailer.
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