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In Reply to: RE: What does it mean? posted by duck decoy on April 13, 2016 at 07:30:49
It should mean it is the final two-track mix. The mastering process takes that mix and adjusts dynamics and EQ to achieve two objectives:
1. Adjust dynamics to be appropriate for the playback medium, and;
2. Adjust dynamics/EQ to make the songs on the album sound like a coherent whole.
#1 is the bugaboo we've dealt with for years, as releases were pretty compressed in the 60's and 70's, and got worse in the 80's despite new playback media that supported a wider dynamic range. The reasons were mostly commercial, i.e. mastering so the product would be playable by the most people, and that meant squashing it so it would sound good in cars, on subways, and while running or biking. Somewhere in the middle of this, we got the radio-driven loudness wars, which squashed dynamic range even more. Looking at the time line, it's depressing:
60's & 70's: make it sound good on the widest variety of record players
80's: gotta sound ok on CD Walkman, car CD players
90's & 00's: make it sound ok on IEMs, itunes, lossy MP3
10's: still with IEMS, but now streaming
Now we're seeing a few LPs produced for the hifi crowd, and the occasional good digital download.
BTW, the term "master" can refer to the two-track mix (tape or file) *or* to the result of the mastering process (again either a tape or file.)
While I have great admiration for mastering engineers, I do hope we see releases of "pre-mastering" two-track mixes. The songs of the album might sound different from each other, but I doubt that would bother many inmates.
WW
"A man need merely light the filaments of his receiving set and the world's greatest artists will perform for him." Alfred N. Goldsmith, RCA, 1922
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The songs on this release have been remixed from the original multitrack rcords at Capitol Records studios by the original engineer who did the original mix at Chicago Recording studios.
Alan
Bill is exactly right
As far as the recording process, "re-mixing" & ""re-mastering" are completely different.
Joking aside. What is likely meant by "un-mastered" here, is no EQ or compression added to the build-out of the DSD files, or the cutting of the glass.
Unless, as you suggest: the recording was also REMIXED, in addition to "un-mastering."
Which some might take a much greater issue with.
That would be a separate process: a content change.
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
shall we call it MIXMASTERING, or the ungilded lily?
...regards...tr
I am not suggesting. If you do a search on this unmastered recording there are several explanations of what was done. It was definitely remixed at Capitol Records then remastered. No eq or reverb was used
Alan
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"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
Quoting from the liner notes
"It is well known that the original multi-track of cafe blue is digital. The mix of the recording heard here was done in 2011 at Hollywood Capitol Studios where the multitrack was mixed in the analog domain and analog chambers were used to produce ambience and reverb." The remix was then mastered directly to DSD with no alteration to the remix
Can we now put aside this nonsense that this was not remixed?
Alan
Glad that's put to rest....
Whew
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
Guys I did this for 25 years. If you go back to the original multitrack and produce a new 2 track master that is called remixing. Stop this nonsense. You are wrong . Period Stop playing these stupid games
Alan
Me too....
We'll know right away if it's been remixed. I hope not, but you never know, - if it's the original engineer, he might have gotten his hands on the rough tracks. Don't know if the studio saved those.
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
Please read my post at the top of this post. It was remixed from the original digital masters by the original engineer. The liner notes say so
Alan
Two track master to two track master is not "re-mixing"
No matter what you do with EQ.
If he went back to the original 72 track and remixed a new two track final mix down master: then he it is....
My apologies if it was the latter......
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
The original was done on a multitrack Otari digital tape recorder. That is what he went back to. The Otari was either an eight track or a 16 track. From this he MIXED a new two track master. Apology excepted
Alan
Bill is exactly right
As far as the recording process, "re-mixing" & ""re-mastering" are completely different.
Joking aside. What is likely meant by "un-mastered" here, is no EQ or compression added to the build-out of the DSD files, or the cutting of the glass.
Unless, as you suggest: the recording was also REMIXED, in addition to "un-mastering."
Which some might take a much greater issue with.
That would be a separate process: a content change.
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
Jim Anderson who was the original engineer took the master multi-track and remixed it with no eq, compression or reverb. People who have heard it typically don't like it because it is so dry. My copy is coming so I will do a review when I get it
Alan
Hey Alan! did you get the disc yet? How does it sound? Can you compare it to the MFSL?
Who can say?
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